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Regards,


Peo Sjoblom

"BREEZEISGONE" <BREEZEISGONE@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9B8417A4-0D56-45C1-A8F6-509F25944B96@microsoft.com...
> First of all I would like to address your so called injustices against
> Islam,
> the Quaran
> and the Prophet. When a 1st grade teacher in an Islamic country lets
> CHILDREN elect a name for a teddy bear and they pick the name Muhamed (not
> her) she is taken to the worst prison in country and sentenced to DEATH by
> the SHARI'A courts.
> Next, a silly cartoon gets the whole world of Islam in a state of frenzy.
> Peole are
> murdered, cars burned, ect............
> Now your so called peacfull Jihad is nothing more than using the laws of
> the west
> to advance your cause of speading your (peacefull) religion/geopolitical
> system inside of our countries. You see,Allah is not the God of Abraham,
> Isac
> and Jachob.
> Nor is your Jesus the same Jesus as the Jesus that we worship. I happen to
> know that your Qua'an along with the Hadith teaches that anyone who
> believes
> that Alla has a son is blaspheming unto death. That is, death at the hands
> of
> knukleheads like you. The closer you follow the Quaran, the more radical
> you
> MUST become!!!!
> It also teaches forced conversion to Islam and conquest until the WHOLE
> WORLD IS UNDER ISLAMIC RULE. Prove me wrong. If you can show me anywhere
> in
> you scriptures that will discredit what I say, then I will retract
> everything
> I have written.
> I do not want to argue, I just will not sit back and listen lies any
> longer. I am sick and tired of being polically correct. It's just an
> excuse
> to sit back and not face the truth so as not to offend anyone!!!! I say
> enough!!!!!! If you think your lies are goig to fly in America, think
> again
> Buddy! I see you in our gas stations and you say " see ya buddy". But when
> we
> are not around you say "death to America and Isreal". Am I getting close?!
> The truth will set you free. Our Jesus did die on a Cross. He did rise
> from
> death on the 3rd day. He did this the free all mankind from thier sin and
> provide a way into the kingdom of God. You do not have to be a Martyr.
> Forgive my spelling.
>
> "af_1999@hotmail.com" wrote:
>
>> A Call for Reassessment
>>
>> A Letter Addressed to Intellectual and Opinion Leaders in the 'West'
>>
>> From the Conference on
>>
>> Glorification of the Sanctities of Islam
>>
>> Held in Kuwait city, Kuwait, January 22-24, 2007
>> - Preamble
>>
>> In the name of Allah, the Unique One, who is no God but He, and no one
>> deserves to be worshiped but He, the Lord of the prophets: Abraham,
>> Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad, the seal of all prophets, (Peace be upon
>> all of them).
>>
>> This letter was drafted by a group of Muslim scholars and
>> intellectuals who recently gathered to discuss development in the
>> relationship with the 'West', and the best and most logical manner to
>> deal with the acceleration of infringements on the sanctities of Islam
>> and Muslims by individuals, and by governmental, religious, and media
>> organizations in the 'West'.
>>
>> We, the signatories to this letter, address western thinkers,
>> intellectuals, and decision makers as well as the leaders of grass-
>> root movements and religious institutions. To all of them we state the
>> following regarding this current phenomenon:
>>
>> When an entire nation faces repeated and accelerated aggressions
>> directed towards what is respected and holy to its people by groups
>> from other nations, reactions will emerge and questions will be raised
>> as to the rationale behind these transgressions, and the environment
>> which created the milieu for these continued attacks. Nonetheless, it
>> is for the benefit of all humanity that these transgressions and
>> attacks come to an end.
>>
>> No other community on the face of the earth today suffers from
>> occupation, injustice and transgression from certain western forces
>> more than Muslim world. No other peoples or nations are currently
>> mocked, ridiculed, and hence suffered because of the western attacks
>> on their religion and their holy symbols as much as the Muslim world.
>> This phenomenon has reached an unacceptable level of infringement and
>> injustice considering that these actions are directed at a worldwide
>> culture and exceptional civilization with an immense history and
>> against a divine religion representing more than a quarter of the
>> world population. For this reason, we believe it is important to draw
>> attention to our position concerning this phenomenon to allow for
>> mistakes to be addressed and path to be rectified.
>>
>> - Present Relationship
>>
>> We realize that the western perspective regarding Islam was not
>> initially positive for several reasons, the most important of which is
>> that Europeans did not deal directly with Islamic culture which led to
>> a continuing sense of unease and apprehension. Disunited Europeans
>> eventually attempted to create a Christian front against Islam. Islam
>> became the exterior enemy capable of unifying a Europe which was until
>> then no more than scattered groups killing one another.
>>
>> There is no doubt that generalizations may lead to misjudgments. In
>> this regard, we are aware of how Europe and America have attempted
>> over past centuries to rid themselves of the western civilization's
>> deficiencies in dealing with the concept of 'Others'. However,
>> incidents during the past few years have totally shattered these
>> attempts.
>>
>> In this letter, when we address the 'West', we mean western society in
>> general. We are not only addressing the forces antagonistic to Islam,
>> but also those who are fair, and we realize that the 'West' is
>> diverse.
>>
>> - Examples of Aggressions
>>
>> We draw the attention of the intellectuals and opinion leaders of the
>> 'West' to the gravity of the increasing and accelerating attacks. It
>> is unconceivable and unacceptable to witness - in less than three
>> years - a series of attacks on what is sacred to us beginning with an
>> assault on our Lord's holy book (the Noble Quran) by the authoring,
>> publication and distribution of a parody of the Quran in which the
>> beliefs, legislations, ethics, and history of our religion are
>> ridiculed. This was followed by a prejudiced and malicious campaign
>> against the person of our Prophet (peace be upon him) describing him
>> with the most repulsive attributes and picturing him with the most
>> mocking and ridiculing caricatures.
>>
>> The source of these attacks emerged from a Danish newspaper spreading
>> to several European countries where certain news outlets supported and
>> others encouraged the spread of these caricatures. The situation grew
>> even worse when the Roman Catholic Pope described Islam, the Quran,
>> and the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) in a prepared public
>> speech with attributes that are unjust, to say the least.
>>
>> Muslims worldwide are also closely following the repeated assaults on
>> the noble Quran at the hands of American soldiers in detention centers
>> of Abu Ghraib in Iraq and Guantanamo in Cuba where the degradation of
>> human beings was coupled with the humiliations of the Quran.
>>
>> It continues to surprise Muslims worldwide to follow the news about
>> infringements of personal freedoms of Muslim citizens and residents in
>> the largest capitals of western countries. Let us also not forget the
>> repeated attacks on mosques in occupied Iraq and Afghanistan sometimes
>> through direct destruction, or by other means such as forced entry
>> into mosques under the pretext of rooting out and killing militants,
>> which, in turn, leads to the killing of innocent people inside these
>> mosques.
>>
>> There is also an air of superiority transpiring from the sayings of
>> many leaders and politicians, the writings of some thinkers, and also
>> in diverse media productions such as movies, series and novels that
>> made it a habit of stigmatizing Islam with defects, violence and
>> terrorism.
>>
>> We are perplexed by the continued lack of public outcry from the
>> majority of intellectual and opinion leaders against these repeated
>> acts of aggression which occur in your countries in the 'West'. It
>> leads us to question which side you belong to: the side of freedom for
>> all, protecting human rights of others, and supporting the global
>> ethic of respect, or the side of repression and curbing other people's
>> desires to preserve their own identities? We indeed ask: Are you
>> siding with the insolence and mockery of the prophets in the name of
>> the freedom of expression, or siding with freedom against the
>> phenomenon of repression and suppression?
>>
>> - The Attack on the Prophet of Islam (Peace be upon him)
>>
>> Although some civilizations have engaged in wars against Muslims in
>> the past, most have not retained the hatred heritage toward the
>> Prophet of Islam when compared with the small countries of Europe and
>> their churches at the same time. Furthermore, Christian animosity
>> toward Islam and the Prophet of Islam outside of western Europe were
>> never transformed into what has been observed in western Europe; an
>> historical abhorrence which was celebrated and emphasized during
>> religious occasions and was portrayed on the walls and ceilings of
>> cathedrals and houses of worship. It is a phenomenon worth studying
>> and it is more important to limit its negative impact.
>>
>> We question the reasons behind the endeavors of certain people in the
>> 'West' to destroy the reputation of historical and contemporary role
>> models. For those who live with no role models, we believe they will
>> have no future; and a nation with no sense of history is like a
>> building with no foundation.
>>
>> Is this, perhaps, the fundamental raison d'etre for the focused attack
>> on our Prophet? Do certain movements in the 'West' - calling for
>> materialism and decadence - want human beings in general, and Muslims
>> in particular, to abandon their desire to follow the steps of
>> enlightened historical role models?
>>
>> We are convinced that attacks such as these recent ones on the best
>> role models in our tradition are nothing but a clarion call in a chain
>> of events attempting to eradicate the historical value of these
>> exemplars.
>>
>> We remain confident that the Muslim world will never waver when it
>> comes to defending the Prophet of Islam and all other Prophets. This
>> is a dividing line which we will never allow it to be crossed on the
>> false pretext of free expression of opinions or views. Furthermore,
>> the Muslim world can not be forced to accept all the outcomes of
>> freedom of expression in the 'West' just as the 'West' does not want
>> to accept some of the outcomes of other human freedoms in the 'East'.
>>
>> We call upon western intellectuals to take a strong stance in dealing
>> with these attacks. We expect they will be more concerned with
>> protecting the accomplishments of the western civilization rather than
>> protecting the 'rights' claimed by some in the 'West' to scorn others
>> and ridicule Prophets.
>>
>> - The Aggression on Al-Aqsa Mosque (The Mosque of all the Prophets)
>>
>> We consider the occupation and repeated attacks on Al-Aqsa mosque to
>> be yet another example of aggressive behavior on what is considered
>> sacred and holy to Muslims everywhere. These transgressions are
>> happening with the support or silence of most western governments and
>> the approval of some western religious movements as well.
>>
>> It is worth noting that the Veto right of United States of America is
>> rarely used in the United Nations for any purpose but to defend
>> repeated Zionist attacks on occupied Palestinian land and to protect
>> Jewish domination on Al-Aqsa mosque, which Muslims worldwide will
>> never forfeit.
>>
>> We reiterate our inquiries to the intellectual and opinion leaders:
>> What is your position regarding these transgressions on what is sacred
>> to Muslims in Palestine, and regarding injustices incurred by the
>> Palestinian people who are deprived of their most basic rights.
>>
>> We observe the blatant contradiction of the 'West' when it calls upon
>> Muslims to adopt western forms of democracy while the same western
>> governments agonize over what kind of free elections and what form of
>> government Palestinians can be free to choose.
>>
>> The silence of western intellectuals and thinkers about these
>> transgressions on what is sacred to Muslims in Palestine is
>> humiliating; it is a stain on the foreheads of those who champion
>> freedom and democracy in the 'West'.
>>
>> We call upon you to remove this stain by joining forces with many
>> impartial intellectuals worldwide who are actively defending the
>> rights of peoples and nations to liberate their occupied lands, to
>> recover their holy sites, to fight for their rights to freely choose
>> their representatives and those who would manage their political and
>> social affairs, to retain their human dignity and their ability to
>> resist humiliation and occupation, and to stand against injustice
>> using all legitimate means.
>>
>> - Mocking the Islamic Veil
>>
>> Personal freedom is central to western democracies. It can be seen in
>> western contemporary social life and also in intellectual literature.
>> It should then be one of the fundamental rights of women in a
>> democracy to have the personal freedom to choose their own clothes as
>> far as they are not contradicting any general moral or social value.
>>
>> The Muslim world is astonished to watch the increased attacks and
>> mockery of the veil of Muslim women in the 'West'. These attacks
>> directly contradict democratic principles which are currently being
>> promoted in the Muslim world. The world's women-rights groups have not
>> taken any concerted steps to defend the rights of Muslim Women. We
>> cannot help but wonder how the right of nudity is accepted and
>> defended while the right of decency is attacked and questioned?
>>
>> One of the basic human rights in the 'West' is the right for one's
>> identity to be preserved and even protected and not attacked. How can
>> the 'West' allow attacks on its own Muslim citizens for exercising the
>> right to wear what suit them? Furthermore, we ask: what happened to
>> the religious, social, and intellectual heritage of the western world?
>> Modest western women would -and still do- wear decent clothing which
>> closely resemble the Islamic dress code as in the cases of nuns and
>> countryside women?
>>
>> If the 'West' has abandoned this legacy of decency, does it mean the
>> rest of the world must follow suit? We reject the 'war on decency' in
>> today's world. We also do not accept the notion that this is the
>> price to be paid for modernity and prosperity. Could the attacks on
>> the veil of Muslim women result from the fact that, in itself, it
>> represents just another symbol of decency?
>>
>> The laws and regulations that were passed recently by several European
>> countries to limit the rights of women to wear the veil appear to be a
>> clear negation of their civil liberties. We wonder: is this happening
>> because of a continued sense of animosity toward Islam by some, or
>> because of the anti-decency position of some liberal supporters, or is
>> it simply to please supporters of social and moral decadence? These
>> are questions directed at western thinkers and intellectuals by the
>> Muslim world. Our expectation is that they must stand firm against
>> double standards in western intellectual norms which this phenomenon
>> points to.
>>
>> - Confrontation of Ideas
>>
>> Islam has been stained with numerous accusations in the last few years
>> by a group of thinkers and religious and political personalities in
>> the 'West'. The accusations range from allegations that Islam has
>> spread by the sword, that 'Reason' has no place in the Islamic
>> intellect, that Islam is a religion of terrorism and backwardness, and
>> other false accusations.
>>
>> This letter does not aim at providing a detailed refutation of each of
>> these allegations. We, nevertheless, highlight the fact that they
>> contradict rational discussions and also breach basic research
>> principles accepted worldwide. It seems, however, that these
>> allegations correspond well with the policy of 'War of Ideas' which
>> some American influential institutions are calling for in order to
>> alter Islam.
>>
>> We recognize that Islam has propagated through Jihad for the cause of
>> Allah and it also has spread by other peaceful means. In fact, all
>> civilizations have acquired and used force to preserve and defend
>> their accomplishments and values. Moreover, we draw your attention to
>> the fact that the concept of 'Just War' was accepted by the European
>> Church and the secular movements in order to preserve the interests of
>> the western civilization. Why then deny the same philosophical
>> position when it comes to Islam?
>>
>> Any person studying world history would realize that millions of
>> people in many countries such as Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines
>> as well as some Asian and African nations have accepted Islam even
>> though they were never invaded or attacked by any Muslim military
>> force.
>>
>> Another question: Why does Islam continue to grow worldwide nowadays
>> and more particularly in the 'West' with no use of any military force
>> to propagate it? It is happening, we believe, because of Islam's
>> inherited influence and its harmony with the best of human nature.
>>
>> As for the fundamental place of Reason in Islamic civilization in
>> comparison with other civilizations, we must begin by stressing that
>> historians unanimously agree that western history is full of incidents
>> which either disregard the role of reason or idolize it; thus in fact,
>> moving from one extreme to the opposite.
>>
>> On the other hand, the Muslim world has been known for its moderation
>> in the use of reason to properly serve humanity. We ask: why do
>> certain religious leaders in the 'West' try to attack the role of
>> reason in Islam? Is it to conceal deficiencies they encounter within
>> their own faith, or to align forces with the secular movement in its
>> confrontation with Islam?
>>
>> We call upon Church leaders to reexamine their own beliefs beginning
>> with the concept of divinity. Upon rigorous introspection and