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Old 02-10-2008, 09:26 PM
Sam Bryan
 
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Move from OE to Microsoft Windows Live Mail?

I'm sure this question must have been asked before, but it is not showing up in the newsgroup's messages that I can currently view and I haven't visited the group in months and Google'ing didn't help that much.

So...
Is it advisable to leave OE and use Windows Live Mail? I have intermittent file corruption problems and have become nervous about allowing OE to do a file compaction when it asks. Would hope for a better comfort level with Windows Live Mail. I am running under XP. Does Windows LM have the functionality of OE and is it more reliable?

Many thanks for any feedback. -- Sam

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Old 02-10-2008, 09:41 PM
Bruce Hagen
 
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Re: Move from OE to Microsoft Windows Live Mail?

That would be better answered in the WLM newsgroup.

Windows Live Mail desktop newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop

What type of corruption? First, it is advisable to backup your messages regardless of your e-mail program. Also, if you manually compact at your leisure, but before 100 closings, the counter will be set back to zero. Keep up this habit and you will never see the prompt.

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

About File Corruption:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning well and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't. When you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until you compact. Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems it caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, which you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If you compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the counter back to zero. See this for more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx files being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry when compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A manual compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red here:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Restore:
http://www.insideoe.com/backup/

This freeware tool backs up everything in OE in seconds. Disregard what is written in red. That is referring to a different program.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB):
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA

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"Sam Bryan" <sambryan@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:eLMFruCbIHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
I'm sure this question must have been asked before, but it is not showing up in the newsgroup's messages that I can currently view and I haven't visited the group in months and Google'ing didn't help that much.

So...
Is it advisable to leave OE and use Windows Live Mail? I have intermittent file corruption problems and have become nervous about allowing OE to do a file compaction when it asks. Would hope for a better comfort level with Windows Live Mail. I am running under XP. Does Windows LM have the functionality of OE and is it more reliable?

Many thanks for any feedback. -- Sam

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Old 02-11-2008, 05:28 PM
Sam Bryan
 
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Re: Move from OE to Microsoft Windows Live Mail?

Thanks Bruce, helpful links and I'll post question to the WLM site, though I expect there is a great deal of interest in the question on this site. -- Sam

"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message news:%23Kw0s2CbIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
That would be better answered in the WLM newsgroup.

Windows Live Mail desktop newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop

What type of corruption? First, it is advisable to backup your messages regardless of your e-mail program. Also, if you manually compact at your leisure, but before 100 closings, the counter will be set back to zero. Keep up this habit and you will never see the prompt.

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

About File Corruption:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning well and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't. When you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until you compact. Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems it caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, which you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If you compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the counter back to zero. See this for more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx files being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry when compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A manual compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red here:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Restore:
http://www.insideoe.com/backup/

This freeware tool backs up everything in OE in seconds. Disregard what is written in red. That is referring to a different program.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB):
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA

------------------------------------------------------------------------------



"Sam Bryan" <sambryan@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:eLMFruCbIHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
I'm sure this question must have been asked before, but it is not showing up in the newsgroup's messages that I can currently view and I haven't visited the group in months and Google'ing didn't help that much.

So...
Is it advisable to leave OE and use Windows Live Mail? I have intermittent file corruption problems and have become nervous about allowing OE to do a file compaction when it asks. Would hope for a better comfort level with Windows Live Mail. I am running under XP. Does Windows LM have the functionality of OE and is it more reliable?

Many thanks for any feedback. -- Sam

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Old 02-11-2008, 05:35 PM
Bruce Hagen
 
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Re: Move from OE to Microsoft Windows Live Mail?

There may be a great deal of interest on this site, but many of us have not / do not use WLM. Most people that WLM probably have used OE at one time, so they could explain the pros and cons better than someone that has never used it.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA

____________________________________

"Sam Bryan" <sambryan@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:eNCcFONbIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Thanks Bruce, helpful links and I'll post question to the WLM site, though I expect there is a great deal of interest in the question on this site. -- Sam

"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message news:%23Kw0s2CbIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
That would be better answered in the WLM newsgroup.

Windows Live Mail desktop newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop

What type of corruption? First, it is advisable to backup your messages regardless of your e-mail program. Also, if you manually compact at your leisure, but before 100 closings, the counter will be set back to zero. Keep up this habit and you will never see the prompt.

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

About File Corruption:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning well and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't. When you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until you compact. Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems it caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, which you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If you compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the counter back to zero. See this for more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx files being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry when compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A manual compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red here:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Restore:
http://www.insideoe.com/backup/

This freeware tool backs up everything in OE in seconds. Disregard what is written in red. That is referring to a different program.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB):
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA

------------------------------------------------------------------------------



"Sam Bryan" <sambryan@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:eLMFruCbIHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
I'm sure this question must have been asked before, but it is not showing up in the newsgroup's messages that I can currently view and I haven't visited the group in months and Google'ing didn't help that much.

So...
Is it advisable to leave OE and use Windows Live Mail? I have intermittent file corruption problems and have become nervous about allowing OE to do a file compaction when it asks. Would hope for a better comfort level with Windows Live Mail. I am running under XP. Does Windows LM have the functionality of OE and is it more reliable?

Many thanks for any feedback. -- Sam

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Old 02-11-2008, 07:51 PM
Sam Bryan
 
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Re: Move from OE to Microsoft Windows Live Mail?

True, but I would have a particular interest in hearing from those people who may have been OE users, tried WLM, found it not to their liking, abandoned it and their newsgroup and returned here to the OE newsgroup.

I think for a question involving both OE and WLM a case can be made 1) that help in answering the question might come from either newsgroup and 2) that there is interest in it on both newsgroups (or you at least might expect there to be since this is a new Microsoft e-mail product). I have posted the question to the WLM newsgroup, so I'll see what kind of response I get.

"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message news:Ome9xRNbIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
There may be a great deal of interest on this site, but many of us have not / do not use WLM. Most people that WLM probably have used OE at one time, so they could explain the pros and cons better than someone that has never used it.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA

____________________________________

"Sam Bryan" <sambryan@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:eNCcFONbIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Thanks Bruce, helpful links and I'll post question to the WLM site, though I expect there is a great deal of interest in the question on this site. -- Sam

"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message news:%23Kw0s2CbIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
That would be better answered in the WLM newsgroup.

Windows Live Mail desktop newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop

What type of corruption? First, it is advisable to backup your messages regardless of your e-mail program. Also, if you manually compact at your leisure, but before 100 closings, the counter will be set back to zero. Keep up this habit and you will never see the prompt.

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

About File Corruption:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning well and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't. When you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until you compact. Never touch anything until the compacting is finished.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems it caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, which you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. If you compact manually, at your convenience, this will also set the counter back to zero. See this for more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx files being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry when compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A manual compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red here:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Restore:
http://www.insideoe.com/backup/

This freeware tool backs up everything in OE in seconds. Disregard what is written in red. That is referring to a different program.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB):
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA

----------------------------------------------------------------------------



"Sam Bryan" <sambryan@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:eLMFruCbIHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
I'm sure this question must have been asked before, but it is not showing up in the newsgroup's messages that I can currently view and I haven't visited the group in months and Google'ing didn't help that much.

So...
Is it advisable to leave OE and use Windows Live Mail? I have intermittent file corruption problems and have become nervous about allowing OE to do a file compaction when it asks. Would hope for a better comfort level with Windows Live Mail. I am running under XP. Does Windows LM have the functionality of OE and is it more reliable?

Many thanks for any feedback. -- Sam

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