Apologies if the following is a FAQ -- I'm a newbie in this group.
I've spent my microsoft.public time in the WindowsXP groups up
to now. Exactly one of them, microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,
consistently delivers to me less than all the headers. For example,
some minutes ago there were 22 new messages, but only seven
headers actually appeared for me to look at. I can't find anything
different about how I subscribe to this one newsgroup, compared
to all the others, Microsoft or not.

I'd appreciate any pointers to where I should look for something
to change to make that one newsgroup behave like the rest.
Thanks.

(Outlook Express 6; fully updated WinXP Media Centre Edition
with SP3; Sony VAIO desktop, two years old; mail via imap.telus.net,
newsgroups from cnews.corel.com, msnews.microsoft.com,
news.giganews.com)

While in a newsgroup: View | Current View. Make sure Show All Messages and
Group Messages By Conversation are checked.

Tools | Options | Read. Uncheck: Get XXX headers at a time. Then, right
click on the newsgroup in the Folder Tree | Properties | Local File | Reset.
Switch to another folder and then back and all available messages will be
downloaded again.

Or go to Tools | Options | Maintenance | Clean Up Now and choose the group,
or server at the top and then Reset.

It would be a good idea to compact your folders when you're done.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until
the compacting is completed.

My personal preference is to disregard synchronizing and rather have OE
check for news when it checks for mail. Tools | Accounts | News. Check: "
Include this account...........".
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnospam@telus.net> wrote in message
news:us7Fvx06IHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Apologies if the following is a FAQ -- I'm a newbie in this group.
> I've spent my microsoft.public time in the WindowsXP groups up
> to now. Exactly one of them, microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,
> consistently delivers to me less than all the headers. For example,
> some minutes ago there were 22 new messages, but only seven
> headers actually appeared for me to look at. I can't find anything
> different about how I subscribe to this one newsgroup, compared
> to all the others, Microsoft or not.
>
> I'd appreciate any pointers to where I should look for something
> to change to make that one newsgroup behave like the rest.
> Thanks.
>
> (Outlook Express 6; fully updated WinXP Media Centre Edition
> with SP3; Sony VAIO desktop, two years old; mail via imap.telus.net,
> newsgroups from cnews.corel.com, msnews.microsoft.com,
> news.giganews.com)
>

Right-click on the newsgroup in Folders pane | Local file (tab) | Reset the
newsgroup | Hit the F5 key | Mark all messages as Read (CTRL+SHIFT+A): Do
you still see 15 "ghosts"?

Anthony Buckland wrote:
> Apologies if the following is a FAQ -- I'm a newbie in this group.
> I've spent my microsoft.public time in the WindowsXP groups up
> to now. Exactly one of them, microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,
> consistently delivers to me less than all the headers. For example,
> some minutes ago there were 22 new messages, but only seven
> headers actually appeared for me to look at. I can't find anything
> different about how I subscribe to this one newsgroup, compared
> to all the others, Microsoft or not.
>
> I'd appreciate any pointers to where I should look for something
> to change to make that one newsgroup behave like the rest.
> Thanks.
>
> (Outlook Express 6; fully updated WinXP Media Centre Edition
> with SP3; Sony VAIO desktop, two years old; mail via imap.telus.net,
> newsgroups from cnews.corel.com, msnews.microsoft.com,
> news.giganews.com)

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OQk7Rx16IHA.1460@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Right-click on the newsgroup in Folders pane | Local file (tab) | Reset
> the newsgroup | Hit the F5 key | Mark all messages as Read (CTRL+SHIFT+A):
> Do you still see 15 "ghosts"?
> ...

Thanks.

After reset, the microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics group had
2759 messages. 2741 headers downloaded, 18 did not download.
I'm not sure what you mean by seeing ghosts, the headers all
became "read" after the Ctrl-Shift-A. Mind you, I didn't count
them Then I deleted the headers, leaving that pane blank and
the message count in the Folders pane still 18. The corresponding
headers didn't appear after switching to another group and back
again. In short, no joy.

"Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnospam@telus.net> wrote in message
news:eyzSOB36IHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OQk7Rx16IHA.1460@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Right-click on the newsgroup in Folders pane | Local file (tab) | Reset
>> the newsgroup | Hit the F5 key | Mark all messages as Read
>> (CTRL+SHIFT+A): Do you still see 15 "ghosts"?
>> ...
>
> Thanks.
>
> After reset, the microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics group had
> 2759 messages. 2741 headers downloaded, 18 did not download.
> I'm not sure what you mean by seeing ghosts, the headers all
> became "read" after the Ctrl-Shift-A. Mind you, I didn't count
> them Then I deleted the headers, leaving that pane blank and
> the message count in the Folders pane still 18. The corresponding
> headers didn't appear after switching to another group and back
> again. In short, no joy.
>

This is a known OE bug. The ghost messages do not really exist and there's
nothing you can do about it. It will never be fixed.

--
Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM
Do not reply with email

Anthony Buckland wrote:
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OQk7Rx16IHA.1460@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Right-click on the newsgroup in Folders pane | Local file (tab) | Reset
>> the newsgroup | Hit the F5 key | Mark all messages as Read
>> (CTRL+SHIFT+A):
>> Do you still see 15 "ghosts"?
>
> After reset, the microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics group had
> 2759 messages. 2741 headers downloaded, 18 did not download.
> I'm not sure what you mean by seeing ghosts, the headers all
> became "read" after the Ctrl-Shift-A. Mind you, I didn't count
> them Then I deleted the headers, leaving that pane blank and
> the message count in the Folders pane still 18. The corresponding
> headers didn't appear after switching to another group and back
> again. In short, no joy.

I didn't expect those steps to fix anything, just to reproduce the behavior
(which it did).

The "ghosts" are the supposedly missing messages.

Now, if you right-click on the newsgroup in folders pane again, select CATCH
UP, leave that newsgroup then return to it, do the 18 "ghosts" return?
Assuming they do, see Frank's last reply.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:urO5Oh36IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Anthony Buckland wrote:
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OQk7Rx16IHA.1460@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Right-click on the newsgroup in Folders pane | Local file (tab) | Reset
>>> the newsgroup | Hit the F5 key | Mark all messages as Read
>>> (CTRL+SHIFT+A):
>>> Do you still see 15 "ghosts"?
>>
>> After reset, the microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics group had
>> 2759 messages. 2741 headers downloaded, 18 did not download.
>> I'm not sure what you mean by seeing ghosts, the headers all
>> became "read" after the Ctrl-Shift-A. Mind you, I didn't count
>> them Then I deleted the headers, leaving that pane blank and
>> the message count in the Folders pane still 18. The corresponding
>> headers didn't appear after switching to another group and back
>> again. In short, no joy.
>
> I didn't expect those steps to fix anything, just to reproduce the
> behavior (which it did).
>
> The "ghosts" are the supposedly missing messages.
>
> Now, if you right-click on the newsgroup in folders pane again, select
> CATCH UP, leave that newsgroup then return to it, do the 18 "ghosts"
> return? Assuming they do, see Frank's last reply.
....

Right you are, I hadn't tried that one before. They go away on
Catch Up, then come back the next time the group is visited.
And it appears I need do nothing, since there aren't actual
messages I'm missing.

Thanks to both of you for the fast help.

Anthony Buckland wrote:
>>>> Right-click on the newsgroup in Folders pane | Local file (tab) | Reset
>>>> the newsgroup | Hit the F5 key | Mark all messages as Read
>>>> (CTRL+SHIFT+A):
>>>> Do you still see 15 "ghosts"?
>>>
>>> After reset, the microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics group had
>>> 2759 messages. 2741 headers downloaded, 18 did not download.
>>> I'm not sure what you mean by seeing ghosts, the headers all
>>> became "read" after the Ctrl-Shift-A. Mind you, I didn't count
>>> them Then I deleted the headers, leaving that pane blank and
>>> the message count in the Folders pane still 18. The corresponding
>>> headers didn't appear after switching to another group and back
>>> again. In short, no joy.
>>
>> I didn't expect those steps to fix anything, just to reproduce the
>> behavior (which it did).
>>
>> The "ghosts" are the supposedly missing messages.
>>
>> Now, if you right-click on the newsgroup in folders pane again, select
>> CATCH UP, leave that newsgroup then return to it, do the 18 "ghosts"
>> return? Assuming they do, see Frank's last reply.
> ...
>
> Right you are, I hadn't tried that one before. They go away on
> Catch Up, then come back the next time the group is visited.
> And it appears I need do nothing, since there aren't actual
> messages I'm missing.
>
> Thanks to both of you for the fast help.

You're welcome and thanks for your feedback.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

"Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnospam@telus.net> wrote in message
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> After reset, the microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics group had
> 2759 messages. 2741 headers downloaded, 18 did not download.


<telnet>
group microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
211 2778 314042 316798 microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
</telnet>

OE is proving that it can do arithmetic but still be illogical.

316798 - 314042 = 2756

Hint: how would 2778 messages go into that number of slots?

BTW 2778 - 2756 = 22

So, has the number of ghosts changed? ; )


> I'm not sure what you mean by seeing ghosts, the headers all
> became "read" after the Ctrl-Shift-A. Mind you, I didn't count
> them


Ghosts: figments of OE's arithmetic and the server's impossible "estimates".
You don't count them, since they don't exist; you calculate them.


> Then I deleted the headers, leaving that pane blank and
> the message count in the Folders pane still 18. The corresponding
> headers didn't appear after switching to another group and back
> again. In short, no joy.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---

"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message
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> "Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnospam@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:eyzSOB36IHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
>> After reset, the microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics group had
>> 2759 messages. 2741 headers downloaded, 18 did not download.
>
>
> <telnet>
> group microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
> 211 2778 314042 316798 microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
> </telnet>
>
> OE is proving that it can do arithmetic but still be illogical.
>
> 316798 - 314042 = 2756
>
> Hint: how would 2778 messages go into that number of slots?
>
> BTW 2778 - 2756 = 22
>
> So, has the number of ghosts changed? ; )
>
...

18 is about normal, occasionally it goes down to 15 or even 14.
What, me worry? Not any more. Thanks.