If you want to "break" Outlook Express and put up with contant nags to
compact your files (and run the risk of losing all your messages if
Automatic Compacting takes place), do so. Just don't complain about it if
and when it happens.
--
~PA Bear

Marcus wrote:
> Why should I not have Mailwasher Pro running under SP3, paid for it & does
> a
> great job cutting out spam, have had it for good few years now without
> issues until these very recent. Not sure the Mailwasher guys would be
> happy
> with this stance.
>
> Why also should I not have ZA doing in/out scans under SP3. Again had that
> on my pc for couple of years at least.
>
> I have removed KB951978 but agree probably not to do with this as had same
> issue, guess is SP3 based issue.
>
> Have not taken SP3 off at this stage.
>
> Marcus
>
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> [Crossposted to OE General newsgroup]
>>
>> KB*951748* has nothing to do with this.
>>
>> You do NOT want to be running MailWasher with OE in WinXP SP3 (nor do you
>> want ZAISS to be scanning incoming/outgoing mail).
>>
>> See this recent discussion about a WinXP SP3-specific problem:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/micro...d35fbfa457fd6f
>>
>> For reference, here's a list of things which are known to cause this
>> behavior:
>>
>> • Various & sundry anti-virus applications (including Norton);
>> • Various & sundry anti-spyware applications;
>> • Various & sundry third-party firewalls;
>> • Any/all of the above running when SP3 was installed;
>> • IBM Rapid Access keyboard (driver) RAKDLL.DLL;
>> • Nero plug-in(s);
>> • Windows Desktop Search is installed;
>> • Windows Live Mail is or had been installed;
>> • Disk defragmentation; and/or
>> • !!! => MailWasher <= !!!
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>
>>
>> Marcus wrote:
>>> Have noticed that after either SP3 for XP which I got this week or
>>> KB951978
>>> update on 19/7 that Mailwasher Pro 6.1 stops responding immediately
>>> after
>>> it
>>> loads up messages, also Outlook Express 6 and IE7 stop responding.
>>>
>>> Each time I have to use Task Manager to close down the progs and each
>>> time
>>> send an error reprt.
>>>
>>> The problem then seems to go away after machine on for minute or so.
>>>
>>> Anyone ideas and what happens to the erfror reports?
>>>
>>> I was aware of issue with KB951748 and Zone Alarm Security Suite.
>>>
>>> Marcus

I have never mentioned the compacting thing, but have had this compacting
request also for about a week now, so guess XP3 causes that? I have said no
ever time asked.

Does SP3 offer the protection that stopping ZA in/out scans I assume does.

Can I use Mailwasher Pro if I do not ask it to start up with Windows as does
now.

Re my OE messages, I have them stored on a partition on my HD, one each for
my 3 identities, named as OE Store.

Why has Microsoft issue SP3 for XP if aware causes so many issues?

Marcus

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> If you want to "break" Outlook Express and put up with contant nags to
> compact your files (and run the risk of losing all your messages if
> Automatic Compacting takes place), do so. Just don't complain about it if
> and when it happens.
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
> Marcus wrote:
> > Why should I not have Mailwasher Pro running under SP3, paid for it & does
> > a
> > great job cutting out spam, have had it for good few years now without
> > issues until these very recent. Not sure the Mailwasher guys would be
> > happy
> > with this stance.
> >
> > Why also should I not have ZA doing in/out scans under SP3. Again had that
> > on my pc for couple of years at least.
> >
> > I have removed KB951978 but agree probably not to do with this as had same
> > issue, guess is SP3 based issue.
> >
> > Have not taken SP3 off at this stage.
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> >
> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> [Crossposted to OE General newsgroup]
> >>
> >> KB*951748* has nothing to do with this.
> >>
> >> You do NOT want to be running MailWasher with OE in WinXP SP3 (nor do you
> >> want ZAISS to be scanning incoming/outgoing mail).
> >>
> >> See this recent discussion about a WinXP SP3-specific problem:
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/micro...d35fbfa457fd6f
> >>
> >> For reference, here's a list of things which are known to cause this
> >> behavior:
> >>
> >> • Various & sundry anti-virus applications (including Norton);
> >> • Various & sundry anti-spyware applications;
> >> • Various & sundry third-party firewalls;
> >> • Any/all of the above running when SP3 was installed;
> >> • IBM Rapid Access keyboard (driver) RAKDLL.DLL;
> >> • Nero plug-in(s);
> >> • Windows Desktop Search is installed;
> >> • Windows Live Mail is or had been installed;
> >> • Disk defragmentation; and/or
> >> • !!! => MailWasher <= !!!
> >> --
> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >>
> >>
> >> Marcus wrote:
> >>> Have noticed that after either SP3 for XP which I got this week or
> >>> KB951978
> >>> update on 19/7 that Mailwasher Pro 6.1 stops responding immediately
> >>> after
> >>> it
> >>> loads up messages, also Outlook Express 6 and IE7 stop responding.
> >>>
> >>> Each time I have to use Task Manager to close down the progs and each
> >>> time
> >>> send an error reprt.
> >>>
> >>> The problem then seems to go away after machine on for minute or so.
> >>>
> >>> Anyone ideas and what happens to the erfror reports?
> >>>
> >>> I was aware of issue with KB951748 and Zone Alarm Security Suite.
> >>>
> >>> Marcus
>
>

Just looked at the google messages stuff.

When I downloaded SP3 I will have had ZA running and this has the virus, spy
checking & firewall elements.

Did have Windows Live on my pc but never used it since installed so have
just taken all of it off my pc.

Should I do a system restore prior to SP3 and then do an update serch for
SP3 and then close down ZA when it downloads, how safe is this when on
broadband?

May that get around the issue of compacting and the stopped responding.

Marcus

"Marcus" wrote:

> I have never mentioned the compacting thing, but have had this compacting
> request also for about a week now, so guess XP3 causes that? I have said no
> ever time asked.
>
> Does SP3 offer the protection that stopping ZA in/out scans I assume does.
>
> Can I use Mailwasher Pro if I do not ask it to start up with Windows as does
> now.
>
> Re my OE messages, I have them stored on a partition on my HD, one each for
> my 3 identities, named as OE Store.
>
> Why has Microsoft issue SP3 for XP if aware causes so many issues?
>
> Marcus
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
> > If you want to "break" Outlook Express and put up with contant nags to
> > compact your files (and run the risk of losing all your messages if
> > Automatic Compacting takes place), do so. Just don't complain about it if
> > and when it happens.
> > --
> > ~PA Bear
> >
> > Marcus wrote:
> > > Why should I not have Mailwasher Pro running under SP3, paid for it & does
> > > a
> > > great job cutting out spam, have had it for good few years now without
> > > issues until these very recent. Not sure the Mailwasher guys would be
> > > happy
> > > with this stance.
> > >
> > > Why also should I not have ZA doing in/out scans under SP3. Again had that
> > > on my pc for couple of years at least.
> > >
> > > I have removed KB951978 but agree probably not to do with this as had same
> > > issue, guess is SP3 based issue.
> > >
> > > Have not taken SP3 off at this stage.
> > >
> > > Marcus
> > >
> > >
> > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> > >
> > >> [Crossposted to OE General newsgroup]
> > >>
> > >> KB*951748* has nothing to do with this.
> > >>
> > >> You do NOT want to be running MailWasher with OE in WinXP SP3 (nor do you
> > >> want ZAISS to be scanning incoming/outgoing mail).
> > >>
> > >> See this recent discussion about a WinXP SP3-specific problem:
> > >> http://groups.google.com/group/micro...d35fbfa457fd6f
> > >>
> > >> For reference, here's a list of things which are known to cause this
> > >> behavior:
> > >>
> > >> • Various & sundry anti-virus applications (including Norton);
> > >> • Various & sundry anti-spyware applications;
> > >> • Various & sundry third-party firewalls;
> > >> • Any/all of the above running when SP3 was installed;
> > >> • IBM Rapid Access keyboard (driver) RAKDLL.DLL;
> > >> • Nero plug-in(s);
> > >> • Windows Desktop Search is installed;
> > >> • Windows Live Mail is or had been installed;
> > >> • Disk defragmentation; and/or
> > >> • !!! => MailWasher <= !!!
> > >> --
> > >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> > >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> > >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Marcus wrote:
> > >>> Have noticed that after either SP3 for XP which I got this week or
> > >>> KB951978
> > >>> update on 19/7 that Mailwasher Pro 6.1 stops responding immediately
> > >>> after
> > >>> it
> > >>> loads up messages, also Outlook Express 6 and IE7 stop responding.
> > >>>
> > >>> Each time I have to use Task Manager to close down the progs and each
> > >>> time
> > >>> send an error reprt.
> > >>>
> > >>> The problem then seems to go away after machine on for minute or so.
> > >>>
> > >>> Anyone ideas and what happens to the erfror reports?
> > >>>
> > >>> I was aware of issue with KB951748 and Zone Alarm Security Suite.
> > >>>
> > >>> Marcus
> >
> >

> I have never mentioned the compacting thing, but have had this compacting
> request also for about a week now, so guess XP3 causes that? I have said
> no
> ever time asked.

My CrystalBall© is all knowing, all seeing! <booga-booga-booga>

Realize that when you say No to the prompt, Automatic Compacting takes
places anyway! If OE was working properly in WinXP SP3:

1. You should only see that prompt if you haven't compacted all OE folders
manually at least once the last 100 times you opened OE; and

2. Saying No to the prompt should have the effect of you not seeing the
prompt again (i.e., Automatic Compacting will take place without you being
aware of it...which could lead to loss of all of your messages).

> Does SP3 offer the protection that stopping ZA in/out scans I assume does.

No, but the regular real-time protection afforded by ZAISS protects you
anyway. Email Scanning is redundant, additional protection that can cause
all sorts of problems in OE (including loss of messages).

> Can I use Mailwasher Pro if I do not ask it to start up with Windows as
> does
> now.

No. Again, we /suspect/ that Mailwasher is the reason you're seeing the
contact prompts about compacting (see above). I /strongly/ recommend that
you uninstall Mailwasher.

> Re my OE messages, I have them stored on a partition on my HD, one each
> for
> my 3 identities, named as OE Store.

That doesn't matter a bit.

> Why has Microsoft issue SP3 for XP if aware causes so many issues?

I dunno about "so many issues" but I can tell you that all OE development
ceased in June 2006* and none of OE's well known-issues (let alone issues in
WinXP SP3) will NEVER be addressed. So I guess you could say MS doesn't
care if third-party applications or even some of MS's other applications
(e.g., Windows Desktop Search; Windows Live Mail; OneCare) cause problems in
OE.

PS: Yeah, I think that sucks eggs, too. If WinXP SP3 is going to be
supported through 2010 (and beyond, in some cases), why isn't its default
Mail Client still going to be supported?

==============================
* Adding insult to injury, all further development for WIndows Mail (the
default Mail Client in Vista) also ceased in June 2006...and Vista was still
in beta then!
--
~PA Bear


Marcus wrote:
> I have never mentioned the compacting thing, but have had this compacting
> request also for about a week now, so guess XP3 causes that? I have said
> no
> ever time asked.
>
> Does SP3 offer the protection that stopping ZA in/out scans I assume does.
>
> Can I use Mailwasher Pro if I do not ask it to start up with Windows as
> does
> now.
>
> Re my OE messages, I have them stored on a partition on my HD, one each
> for
> my 3 identities, named as OE Store.
>
> Why has Microsoft issue SP3 for XP if aware causes so many issues?
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>> If you want to "break" Outlook Express and put up with contant nags to
>> compact your files (and run the risk of losing all your messages if
>> Automatic Compacting takes place), do so. Just don't complain about it
>> if
>> and when it happens.
>>
>> Marcus wrote:
>>> Why should I not have Mailwasher Pro running under SP3, paid for it &
>>> does
>>> a
>>> great job cutting out spam, have had it for good few years now without
>>> issues until these very recent. Not sure the Mailwasher guys would be
>>> happy
>>> with this stance.
>>>
>>> Why also should I not have ZA doing in/out scans under SP3. Again had
>>> that
>>> on my pc for couple of years at least.
>>>
>>> I have removed KB951978 but agree probably not to do with this as had
>>> same
>>> issue, guess is SP3 based issue.
>>>
>>> Have not taken SP3 off at this stage.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>>
>>>> [Crossposted to OE General newsgroup]
>>>>
>>>> KB*951748* has nothing to do with this.
>>>>
>>>> You do NOT want to be running MailWasher with OE in WinXP SP3 (nor do
>>>> you
>>>> want ZAISS to be scanning incoming/outgoing mail).
>>>>
>>>> See this recent discussion about a WinXP SP3-specific problem:
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/micro...d35fbfa457fd6f
>>>>
>>>> For reference, here's a list of things which are known to cause this
>>>> behavior:
>>>>
>>>> • Various & sundry anti-virus applications (including Norton);
>>>> • Various & sundry anti-spyware applications;
>>>> • Various & sundry third-party firewalls;
>>>> • Any/all of the above running when SP3 was installed;
>>>> • IBM Rapid Access keyboard (driver) RAKDLL.DLL;
>>>> • Nero plug-in(s);
>>>> • Windows Desktop Search is installed;
>>>> • Windows Live Mail is or had been installed;
>>>> • Disk defragmentation; and/or
>>>> • !!! => MailWasher <= !!!
>>>> --
>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marcus wrote:
>>>>> Have noticed that after either SP3 for XP which I got this week or
>>>>> KB951978
>>>>> update on 19/7 that Mailwasher Pro 6.1 stops responding immediately
>>>>> after
>>>>> it
>>>>> loads up messages, also Outlook Express 6 and IE7 stop responding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Each time I have to use Task Manager to close down the progs and each
>>>>> time
>>>>> send an error reprt.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem then seems to go away after machine on for minute or so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone ideas and what happens to the erfror reports?
>>>>>
>>>>> I was aware of issue with KB951748 and Zone Alarm Security Suite.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus

Patience, please. See my reply to your last post.

At this point, I would NOT do anything else unless uninstalling Mailwasher
Pro doesn't resolve your OE issues.
--
~PA Bear


Marcus wrote:
> Just looked at the google messages stuff.
>
> When I downloaded SP3 I will have had ZA running and this has the virus,
> spy
> checking & firewall elements.
>
> Did have Windows Live on my pc but never used it since installed so have
> just taken all of it off my pc.
>
> Should I do a system restore prior to SP3 and then do an update serch for
> SP3 and then close down ZA when it downloads, how safe is this when on
> broadband?
>
> May that get around the issue of compacting and the stopped responding.
>
> Marcus
>
> "Marcus" wrote:
>
>> I have never mentioned the compacting thing, but have had this compacting
>> request also for about a week now, so guess XP3 causes that? I have said
>> no
>> ever time asked.
>>
>> Does SP3 offer the protection that stopping ZA in/out scans I assume
>> does.
>>
>> Can I use Mailwasher Pro if I do not ask it to start up with Windows as
>> does now.
>>
>> Re my OE messages, I have them stored on a partition on my HD, one each
>> for
>> my 3 identities, named as OE Store.
>>
>> Why has Microsoft issue SP3 for XP if aware causes so many issues?
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>
>>> If you want to "break" Outlook Express and put up with contant nags to
>>> compact your files (and run the risk of losing all your messages if
>>> Automatic Compacting takes place), do so. Just don't complain about it
>>> if
>>> and when it happens.
>>> --
>>> ~PA Bear
>>>
>>> Marcus wrote:
>>>> Why should I not have Mailwasher Pro running under SP3, paid for it &
>>>> does a
>>>> great job cutting out spam, have had it for good few years now without
>>>> issues until these very recent. Not sure the Mailwasher guys would be
>>>> happy
>>>> with this stance.
>>>>
>>>> Why also should I not have ZA doing in/out scans under SP3. Again had
>>>> that on my pc for couple of years at least.
>>>>
>>>> I have removed KB951978 but agree probably not to do with this as had
>>>> same issue, guess is SP3 based issue.
>>>>
>>>> Have not taken SP3 off at this stage.
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [Crossposted to OE General newsgroup]
>>>>>
>>>>> KB*951748* has nothing to do with this.
>>>>>
>>>>> You do NOT want to be running MailWasher with OE in WinXP SP3 (nor do
>>>>> you want ZAISS to be scanning incoming/outgoing mail).
>>>>>
>>>>> See this recent discussion about a WinXP SP3-specific problem:
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/micro...d35fbfa457fd6f
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, here's a list of things which are known to cause this
>>>>> behavior:
>>>>>
>>>>> • Various & sundry anti-virus applications (including Norton);
>>>>> • Various & sundry anti-spyware applications;
>>>>> • Various & sundry third-party firewalls;
>>>>> • Any/all of the above running when SP3 was installed;
>>>>> • IBM Rapid Access keyboard (driver) RAKDLL.DLL;
>>>>> • Nero plug-in(s);
>>>>> • Windows Desktop Search is installed;
>>>>> • Windows Live Mail is or had been installed;
>>>>> • Disk defragmentation; and/or
>>>>> • !!! => MailWasher <= !!!
>>>>> --
>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus wrote:
>>>>>> Have noticed that after either SP3 for XP which I got this week or
>>>>>> KB951978
>>>>>> update on 19/7 that Mailwasher Pro 6.1 stops responding immediately
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> loads up messages, also Outlook Express 6 and IE7 stop responding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Each time I have to use Task Manager to close down the progs and each
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> send an error reprt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem then seems to go away after machine on for minute or so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone ideas and what happens to the erfror reports?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was aware of issue with KB951748 and Zone Alarm Security Suite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marcus

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> I dunno about "so many issues" but I can tell you that all OE development
> ceased in June 2006* and none of OE's well known-issues (let alone
> issues in WinXP SP3) will NEVER be addressed.

Double negative - I assume you mean that none of the issues will EVER be addressed?

Harry.

"Harry Johnston [MVP]" <harry@scms.waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
news:%23ij%23Wz26IHA.3652@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>
>> I dunno about "so many issues" but I can tell you that all OE development
>> ceased in June 2006* and none of OE's well known-issues (let alone issues
>> in WinXP SP3) will NEVER be addressed.
>
> Double negative - I assume you mean that none of the issues will EVER be
> addressed?


Right.

--
Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM
Do not reply with email

Nit duly picked. So much for last minute editing in the Outbox.

Harry Johnston [MVP] wrote:
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> I dunno about "so many issues" but I can tell you that all OE development
>> ceased in June 2006* and none of OE's well known-issues (let alone
>> issues in WinXP SP3) will NEVER be addressed.
>
> Double negative - I assume you mean that none of the issues will EVER be
> addressed?
> Harry.

I'm one that hasn't had problems with SP3 on my machine XP Home, I have
Mailwasher Pro installed and running but I don't use Outlook Express,
instead I've been using Windows Live Mail since before SP3 and I don't have
Zone Alarm but use instead Online Armor. <g>

--
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"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uHhlRx16IHA.1460@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Patience, please. See my reply to your last post.
>
> At this point, I would NOT do anything else unless uninstalling Mailwasher
> Pro doesn't resolve your OE issues.
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
>
> Marcus wrote:
>> Just looked at the google messages stuff.
>>
>> When I downloaded SP3 I will have had ZA running and this has the virus,
>> spy
>> checking & firewall elements.
>>
>> Did have Windows Live on my pc but never used it since installed so have
>> just taken all of it off my pc.
>>
>> Should I do a system restore prior to SP3 and then do an update serch for
>> SP3 and then close down ZA when it downloads, how safe is this when on
>> broadband?
>>
>> May that get around the issue of compacting and the stopped responding.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>snip>

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:20:07 -0700, Marcus wrote:

> Why has Microsoft issue SP3 for XP if aware causes so many issues?

I have installed XP SP3 on four systems now. No issues. Two were on clean
installs of Windows XP, two were on Windows MCE 2005 systems which have been
in constant use for from 1 1/2 to 2 years.

--
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~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.