The other day I paired a PPC/phone with a laptop computer and saw I could
use the laptop as a "Headset" instead of "Hands Free."

Turns out that "Headset" is basically a "Hands Free" device with no control
at all over the phone.

Now here is the funny part. With all the things Microsoft can do it looks
like they can't write a program to end a call when the laptop is being used
as a "Headset." I tried all the buttons I could find on the laptop and none
of them did anything.

If I'm wrong about the above please let me know. Until then I'll rely on
the other party to end the call for me when I use my laptop as a BT
"Headset."

TIA

Maybe I'm missing something. You say you are using the laptop as a 'headset'
for a PPC/phone. You indicate that 'headset' has no control over the phone.
Yet you want to 'control' the phone from the laptop using 'headset'.
Wouldn't it make sense that you would have to end the cal from the phone if
using the laptop in headset mode?

Frankly I'm a little surprised you were able to use the laptop as a headset.
I would have assumed that the existence of the headset and handsfree
profiles in the BT set on a laptop would be so you could connect a headset,
or handsfree device to the laptop..not use it as one. Out of curiosity, if
you have the laptop acting as a headset to your phone, how do you answer an
incoming call?

--
Sven
MVP Mobile Devices
"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
news:6uSdnXc-aIuhp2fanZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@giganews.com...
> The other day I paired a PPC/phone with a laptop computer and saw I could
> use the laptop as a "Headset" instead of "Hands Free."
>
> Turns out that "Headset" is basically a "Hands Free" device with no
> control
> at all over the phone.
>
> Now here is the funny part. With all the things Microsoft can do it looks
> like they can't write a program to end a call when the laptop is being
> used
> as a "Headset." I tried all the buttons I could find on the laptop and
> none
> of them did anything.
>
> If I'm wrong about the above please let me know. Until then I'll rely on
> the other party to end the call for me when I use my laptop as a BT
> "Headset."
>
> TIA
>
>

Maybe I'm missing something. You say you are using the laptop as a 'headset'
for a PPC/phone. You indicate that 'headset' has no control over the phone.
Yet you want to 'control' the phone from the laptop using 'headset'.
Wouldn't it make sense that you would have to end the cal from the phone if
using the laptop in headset mode?

Frankly I'm a little surprised you were able to use the laptop as a headset.
I would have assumed that the existence of the headset and handsfree
profiles in the BT set on a laptop would be so you could connect a headset,
or handsfree device to the laptop..not use it as one. Out of curiosity, if
you have the laptop acting as a headset to your phone, how do you answer an
incoming call?

--
Sven
MVP Mobile Devices
"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
news:6uSdnXc-aIuhp2fanZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@giganews.com...
> The other day I paired a PPC/phone with a laptop computer and saw I could
> use the laptop as a "Headset" instead of "Hands Free."
>
> Turns out that "Headset" is basically a "Hands Free" device with no
> control
> at all over the phone.
>
> Now here is the funny part. With all the things Microsoft can do it looks
> like they can't write a program to end a call when the laptop is being
> used
> as a "Headset." I tried all the buttons I could find on the laptop and
> none
> of them did anything.
>
> If I'm wrong about the above please let me know. Until then I'll rely on
> the other party to end the call for me when I use my laptop as a BT
> "Headset."
>
> TIA
>
>

"Sven" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BC233FE2-8123-4D74-8B12-230E78692619@microsoft.com...
> "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
> news:6uSdnXc-aIuhp2fanZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@giganews.com...
> > The other day I paired a PPC/phone with a laptop computer and saw I
could
> > use the laptop as a "Headset" instead of "Hands Free."
> >
> > Turns out that "Headset" is basically a "Hands Free" device with no
> > control
> > at all over the phone.
> >
> > Now here is the funny part. With all the things Microsoft can do it
looks
> > like they can't write a program to end a call when the laptop is being
> > used
> > as a "Headset." I tried all the buttons I could find on the laptop and
> > none
> > of them did anything.
> >
> > If I'm wrong about the above please let me know. Until then I'll rely
on
> > the other party to end the call for me when I use my laptop as a BT
> > "Headset."
> >
> > TIA
> >
>
> Maybe I'm missing something. You say you are using the laptop as a
'headset'
> for a PPC/phone.

Yes and it does a pretty good job at it too but it is really more of a
"Speaker phone" than a "Headset." BTW my laptop has two built in
microphones and it uses them both when used as a BT "Headset" for a
PPC/phone.

> You indicate that 'headset' has no control over the phone.
> Yet you want to 'control' the phone from the laptop using 'headset'.
> Wouldn't it make sense that you would have to end the cal from the phone
if
> using the laptop in headset mode?

That's true, I could use the phone itself to hangup the phone but the point
was it should be very easy for Microsoft do write a program to control the
phone via bluetooth since it already has the voice channel. If they had a
program to control the phone then they could use the term "Hands Free"
instead of "Headset" right?


> Frankly I'm a little surprised you were able to use the laptop as a
headset.
> I would have assumed that the existence of the headset and handsfree
> profiles in the BT set on a laptop would be so you could connect a
headset,
> or handsfree device to the laptop..not use it as one.

My new laptop is not the first bi-directional Bluetooth device I've seen but
it is the first bi-directional Bluetooth device I've seen that runs on
batteries.

I first noticed that I could use the laptop to play the Stereo Audio from my
phone via the "Wireless Stereo" and it would use it's speakers, but it took
me a few tries to get it to work as a "Headset."

It turns out that I can only use the laptop as one BT audio device at a
time. That means I receive BT Stereo and play it on the laptop speakers or
I can send BT Stereo to a third device but it will not do both at the same
time

Same with the incoming BT Stereo or the BT "Headset." I can do one or the
other but not both at the same time. It seems to need a few seconds to
swich too.

> Out of curiosity, if
> you have the laptop acting as a headset to your phone, how do you answer
an
> incoming call?

That is simple. Phone->Menu->Options->More then check "Headset" and it will
automatically answer the phone. But, for some reason, it is still
automatically answering the phone, when used with a "headset" even though I
have that box unchecked now.


> Sven
> MVP Mobile Devices

"Sven" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BC233FE2-8123-4D74-8B12-230E78692619@microsoft.com...
> "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
> news:6uSdnXc-aIuhp2fanZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@giganews.com...
> > The other day I paired a PPC/phone with a laptop computer and saw I
could
> > use the laptop as a "Headset" instead of "Hands Free."
> >
> > Turns out that "Headset" is basically a "Hands Free" device with no
> > control
> > at all over the phone.
> >
> > Now here is the funny part. With all the things Microsoft can do it
looks
> > like they can't write a program to end a call when the laptop is being
> > used
> > as a "Headset." I tried all the buttons I could find on the laptop and
> > none
> > of them did anything.
> >
> > If I'm wrong about the above please let me know. Until then I'll rely
on
> > the other party to end the call for me when I use my laptop as a BT
> > "Headset."
> >
> > TIA
> >
>
> Maybe I'm missing something. You say you are using the laptop as a
'headset'
> for a PPC/phone.

Yes and it does a pretty good job at it too but it is really more of a
"Speaker phone" than a "Headset." BTW my laptop has two built in
microphones and it uses them both when used as a BT "Headset" for a
PPC/phone.

> You indicate that 'headset' has no control over the phone.
> Yet you want to 'control' the phone from the laptop using 'headset'.
> Wouldn't it make sense that you would have to end the cal from the phone
if
> using the laptop in headset mode?

That's true, I could use the phone itself to hangup the phone but the point
was it should be very easy for Microsoft do write a program to control the
phone via bluetooth since it already has the voice channel. If they had a
program to control the phone then they could use the term "Hands Free"
instead of "Headset" right?


> Frankly I'm a little surprised you were able to use the laptop as a
headset.
> I would have assumed that the existence of the headset and handsfree
> profiles in the BT set on a laptop would be so you could connect a
headset,
> or handsfree device to the laptop..not use it as one.

My new laptop is not the first bi-directional Bluetooth device I've seen but
it is the first bi-directional Bluetooth device I've seen that runs on
batteries.

I first noticed that I could use the laptop to play the Stereo Audio from my
phone via the "Wireless Stereo" and it would use it's speakers, but it took
me a few tries to get it to work as a "Headset."

It turns out that I can only use the laptop as one BT audio device at a
time. That means I receive BT Stereo and play it on the laptop speakers or
I can send BT Stereo to a third device but it will not do both at the same
time

Same with the incoming BT Stereo or the BT "Headset." I can do one or the
other but not both at the same time. It seems to need a few seconds to
swich too.

> Out of curiosity, if
> you have the laptop acting as a headset to your phone, how do you answer
an
> incoming call?

That is simple. Phone->Menu->Options->More then check "Headset" and it will
automatically answer the phone. But, for some reason, it is still
automatically answering the phone, when used with a "headset" even though I
have that box unchecked now.


> Sven
> MVP Mobile Devices

"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
news:Q9GdnUMD7pEuGmbanZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>
> That's true, I could use the phone itself to hangup the phone but the
> point
> was it should be very easy for Microsoft do write a program to control the
> phone via bluetooth since it already has the voice channel. If they had a
> program to control the phone then they could use the term "Hands Free"
> instead of "Headset" right?
>
I suppose they could, but I don't think MS even wrote the 'Phone' program
you seem to be using. I would guess the BT profiles you have available
aren't even the MS ones. They are pretty limited. Seems that many laptops
come with the Toshiba stack (even non-Toshibas) or Blue Soliel.
>
>
> My new laptop is not the first bi-directional Bluetooth device I've seen
> but
> it is the first bi-directional Bluetooth device I've seen that runs on
> batteries.
>
So what is this laptop. It has some unique features it appears.
>
> I first noticed that I could use the laptop to play the Stereo Audio from
> my
> phone via the "Wireless Stereo" and it would use it's speakers, but it
> took
> me a few tries to get it to work as a "Headset."
>
> It turns out that I can only use the laptop as one BT audio device at a
> time. That means I receive BT Stereo and play it on the laptop speakers
> or
> I can send BT Stereo to a third device but it will not do both at the same
> time
>
> Same with the incoming BT Stereo or the BT "Headset." I can do one or the
> other but not both at the same time. It seems to need a few seconds to
> swich too.
>
That is actually pretty consistant with the BT concept. It was originally
conceived as a cable replacement, with the various profiles supporting
specific cable scenarios, like replacing the headphone cable, the printer
cable, etc. You couldn't hook those cables to more than one peripheral,
unless you had more than one port. Haven't seen too many BT implementations
that allow multiple instances of a single profile though you can run
multiple profiles at the same time. You should technically be able to run
A2DP (the stereo profile) at the same time as the headset/handsfree profile.
>
> That is simple. Phone->Menu->Options->More then check "Headset" and it
> will
> automatically answer the phone. But, for some reason, it is still
> automatically answering the phone, when used with a "headset" even though
> I
> have that box unchecked now.
>
Interesting. What Phone application is this?
>
>> Sven
>> MVP Mobile Devices
>
>

"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
news:Q9GdnUMD7pEuGmbanZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>
> That's true, I could use the phone itself to hangup the phone but the
> point
> was it should be very easy for Microsoft do write a program to control the
> phone via bluetooth since it already has the voice channel. If they had a
> program to control the phone then they could use the term "Hands Free"
> instead of "Headset" right?
>
I suppose they could, but I don't think MS even wrote the 'Phone' program
you seem to be using. I would guess the BT profiles you have available
aren't even the MS ones. They are pretty limited. Seems that many laptops
come with the Toshiba stack (even non-Toshibas) or Blue Soliel.
>
>
> My new laptop is not the first bi-directional Bluetooth device I've seen
> but
> it is the first bi-directional Bluetooth device I've seen that runs on
> batteries.
>
So what is this laptop. It has some unique features it appears.
>
> I first noticed that I could use the laptop to play the Stereo Audio from
> my
> phone via the "Wireless Stereo" and it would use it's speakers, but it
> took
> me a few tries to get it to work as a "Headset."
>
> It turns out that I can only use the laptop as one BT audio device at a
> time. That means I receive BT Stereo and play it on the laptop speakers
> or
> I can send BT Stereo to a third device but it will not do both at the same
> time
>
> Same with the incoming BT Stereo or the BT "Headset." I can do one or the
> other but not both at the same time. It seems to need a few seconds to
> swich too.
>
That is actually pretty consistant with the BT concept. It was originally
conceived as a cable replacement, with the various profiles supporting
specific cable scenarios, like replacing the headphone cable, the printer
cable, etc. You couldn't hook those cables to more than one peripheral,
unless you had more than one port. Haven't seen too many BT implementations
that allow multiple instances of a single profile though you can run
multiple profiles at the same time. You should technically be able to run
A2DP (the stereo profile) at the same time as the headset/handsfree profile.
>
> That is simple. Phone->Menu->Options->More then check "Headset" and it
> will
> automatically answer the phone. But, for some reason, it is still
> automatically answering the phone, when used with a "headset" even though
> I
> have that box unchecked now.
>
Interesting. What Phone application is this?
>
>> Sven
>> MVP Mobile Devices
>
>

"Sven" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:C90C8ECE-E726-447D-BD2C-51FB5C135000@microsoft.com...
>
> "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
> news:Q9GdnUMD7pEuGmbanZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
> >
> > That's true, I could use the phone itself to hangup the phone but the
> > point
> > was it should be very easy for Microsoft do write a program to control
the
> > phone via bluetooth since it already has the voice channel. If they had
a
> > program to control the phone then they could use the term "Hands Free"
> > instead of "Headset" right?
> >
> I suppose they could, but I don't think MS even wrote the 'Phone' program
> you seem to be using.

There is *no* phone program from what I've seen. The laptop just lets a
PPC/phone use it for a "Headset" and that is it.

....
> I would guess the BT profiles you have available
> aren't even the MS ones.

By looking at the software, I can't tell where it is from. If you want to
do some futher investigation yourself you can call HP and ask them about the
bluetooth software that they ship with their tx2000.

....
> They are pretty limited. Seems that many laptops
> come with the Toshiba stack (even non-Toshibas) or Blue Soliel.

I've seen the "Toshiba stack" and I've even seen their latest BT software.
Toshiba makes it look like you can use their software for "Wireless Stereo"
from a PPC/phone but I never got theirs to work for anything but
transmitting Stereo BT.

...
> > My new laptop is not the first bi-directional Bluetooth device I've seen
> > but
> > it is the first bi-directional Bluetooth device I've seen that runs on
> > batteries.
> >
> So what is this laptop. It has some unique features it appears.
> >
> > I first noticed that I could use the laptop to play the Stereo Audio
from
> > my
> > phone via the "Wireless Stereo" and it would use it's speakers, but it
> > took
> > me a few tries to get it to work as a "Headset."
> >
> > It turns out that I can only use the laptop as one BT audio device at a
> > time. That means I receive BT Stereo and play it on the laptop speakers
> > or
> > I can send BT Stereo to a third device but it will not do both at the
same
> > time
> >
> > Same with the incoming BT Stereo or the BT "Headset." I can do one or
the
> > other but not both at the same time. It seems to need a few seconds to
> > swich too.
> >
> That is actually pretty consistant with the BT concept. It was originally
> conceived as a cable replacement, with the various profiles supporting
> specific cable scenarios, like replacing the headphone cable, the printer
> cable, etc. You couldn't hook those cables to more than one peripheral,
> unless you had more than one port. Haven't seen too many BT
implementations
> that allow multiple instances of a single profile though you can run
> multiple profiles at the same time. You should technically be able to run
> A2DP (the stereo profile) at the same time as the headset/handsfree
profile.

I just tried that and the Stereo BT started skipping. It still works great
for one audio profile + internet via BT and that is good enough for me.

Oh, I'll say this too. I've seen AVRCP work with WM6 devices but the tx2000
is the first laptop I've seen where AVRCP works from a Stereo BT headset
with AVRCP.


> > That is simple. Phone->Menu->Options->More then check "Headset" and it
> > will
> > automatically answer the phone. But, for some reason, it is still
> > automatically answering the phone, when used with a "headset" even
though
> > I
> > have that box unchecked now.
> >
> Interesting. What Phone application is this?

It is the "Phone" application that came with the Sprint Mogul. Most every
phone I know of that takes a "Headphone" can also be setup to auto-answer
when the headphone is used.

Back to the "Toshiba Stack." If you can get me more information on where I
should go to address issues I've had with the "Toshiba Stack" and older
laptops let me know

TIA

"Sven" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:C90C8ECE-E726-447D-BD2C-51FB5C135000@microsoft.com...
>
> "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
> news:Q9GdnUMD7pEuGmbanZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
> >
> > That's true, I could use the phone itself to hangup the phone but the
> > point
> > was it should be very easy for Microsoft do write a program to control
the
> > phone via bluetooth since it already has the voice channel. If they had
a
> > program to control the phone then they could use the term "Hands Free"
> > instead of "Headset" right?
> >
> I suppose they could, but I don't think MS even wrote the 'Phone' program
> you seem to be using.

There is *no* phone program from what I've seen. The laptop just lets a
PPC/phone use it for a "Headset" and that is it.

....
> I would guess the BT profiles you have available
> aren't even the MS ones.

By looking at the software, I can't tell where it is from. If you want to
do some futher investigation yourself you can call HP and ask them about the
bluetooth software that they ship with their tx2000.

....
> They are pretty limited. Seems that many laptops
> come with the Toshiba stack (even non-Toshibas) or Blue Soliel.

I've seen the "Toshiba stack" and I've even seen their latest BT software.
Toshiba makes it look like you can use their software for "Wireless Stereo"
from a PPC/phone but I never got theirs to work for anything but
transmitting Stereo BT.

...
> > My new laptop is not the first bi-directional Bluetooth device I've seen
> > but
> > it is the first bi-directional Bluetooth device I've seen that runs on
> > batteries.
> >
> So what is this laptop. It has some unique features it appears.
> >
> > I first noticed that I could use the laptop to play the Stereo Audio
from
> > my
> > phone via the "Wireless Stereo" and it would use it's speakers, but it
> > took
> > me a few tries to get it to work as a "Headset."
> >
> > It turns out that I can only use the laptop as one BT audio device at a
> > time. That means I receive BT Stereo and play it on the laptop speakers
> > or
> > I can send BT Stereo to a third device but it will not do both at the
same
> > time
> >
> > Same with the incoming BT Stereo or the BT "Headset." I can do one or
the
> > other but not both at the same time. It seems to need a few seconds to
> > swich too.
> >
> That is actually pretty consistant with the BT concept. It was originally
> conceived as a cable replacement, with the various profiles supporting
> specific cable scenarios, like replacing the headphone cable, the printer
> cable, etc. You couldn't hook those cables to more than one peripheral,
> unless you had more than one port. Haven't seen too many BT
implementations
> that allow multiple instances of a single profile though you can run
> multiple profiles at the same time. You should technically be able to run
> A2DP (the stereo profile) at the same time as the headset/handsfree
profile.

I just tried that and the Stereo BT started skipping. It still works great
for one audio profile + internet via BT and that is good enough for me.

Oh, I'll say this too. I've seen AVRCP work with WM6 devices but the tx2000
is the first laptop I've seen where AVRCP works from a Stereo BT headset
with AVRCP.


> > That is simple. Phone->Menu->Options->More then check "Headset" and it
> > will
> > automatically answer the phone. But, for some reason, it is still
> > automatically answering the phone, when used with a "headset" even
though
> > I
> > have that box unchecked now.
> >
> Interesting. What Phone application is this?

It is the "Phone" application that came with the Sprint Mogul. Most every
phone I know of that takes a "Headphone" can also be setup to auto-answer
when the headphone is used.

Back to the "Toshiba Stack." If you can get me more information on where I
should go to address issues I've had with the "Toshiba Stack" and older
laptops let me know

TIA

"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
news:-uWdncTWGLxRWGbanZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
> There is *no* phone program from what I've seen. The laptop just lets a
> PPC/phone use it for a "Headset" and that is it.
>
That's interesting
>
> By looking at the software, I can't tell where it is from. If you want to
> do some futher investigation yourself you can call HP and ask them about
> the
> bluetooth software that they ship with their tx2000.
>
Hmm, I have an HP TX 1327, but it didn't come with BT. Seems HP is moving
out with some unusual additions.
> ...
>> They are pretty limited. Seems that many laptops
>
> I just tried that and the Stereo BT started skipping. It still works
> great
> for one audio profile + internet via BT and that is good enough for me.
>
Oh, you can get it connected but the quality sucks. That could be a problem
with the processor in the phone or the BT stack itself. There were a lot of
these problems when BT and stereo was first coming out on Windows Mobile.
There were a lot od stack swapping instructions around at the time. Maybe
not much you can do about this. How is it if you aren't doing anything but
streaming stereo.
>
> Oh, I'll say this too. I've seen AVRCP work with WM6 devices but the
> tx2000
> is the first laptop I've seen where AVRCP works from a Stereo BT headset
> with AVRCP.
>
That's cool
>
>> > That is simple. Phone->Menu->Options->More then check "Headset" and it
>> > will
>> > automatically answer the phone. But, for some reason, it is still
>> > automatically answering the phone, when used with a "headset" even
> though
>> > I
>> > have that box unchecked now.

Oh, OK. Might try a soft reset and check and uncheck the box again. Seen
settings get stuck on other stuff and the visual not match the actual.
>
>
>
> It is the "Phone" application that came with the Sprint Mogul. Most every
> phone I know of that takes a "Headphone" can also be setup to auto-answer
> when the headphone is used.

OK, got it. Thought you had a way to answer from the PC.
>
> Back to the "Toshiba Stack." If you can get me more information on where
> I
> should go to address issues I've had with the "Toshiba Stack" and older
> laptops let me know
>
Beats me, Just know my Sony uses it. Not impressed.