Have 2 WDC 80GB drives. Normally, I connect only one at time. They are on
removable trays. They connect via Promise 133 TX2 ide card. From this
point on, I'll call the first one IDE1 and the second one IDE2. IDE2, I
only connect to use as a target fro cloning purposes.

IDE1 has system commander circa 2002 as boot manager. System commander is
installed on a Windows ME partition as are its boot files and so forth.

During my usual copy routine from the system commander menu for
partitioning, found that IDE2 was inaccessbile. By that, I mean the LED on
the removable tray for IDE2 lights up and remains that way for eternity.

I've found same results using a Windows 98SE boot diskette, ME boot
diskette, Linux boot diskette (kernel panic), windows 98SE explorer, windows
ME explorer, XP SP2 explorer, WD boot diskette with WD hard drive tools.
What's unusual about it is that from the boot diskettes, the IDE2 is
accessed without me telling it do that. I've tried disabling onboard ide
and SATA via bios. Same results.

The only thing slightly different is when I put IDE2 in a firewire
enclosure. Using disk manager, gives me a message that its accessing the
IDE2. Then another message to please wait. Gave it 20 minutes, no change.
When I right clicked properties of the drive, then indicated to populate,
gave it another 20 minutes, nothing, I cancelled. A message popped up that
indicated that one of the partitions may be of Windows 2000 nature. PC has
never had 2K on it. What about this Windows 2000 thing?

--
Dave

How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3 months
old?

An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.

>How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3
>months
>old?

as if you arent already paying.


> An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.

well I should hope not if youve actually researched the useless way war
was waged - and the much higher number of lives it cost...



maybe you lost a jumper off IDE2 since you move it around alot.
maybe the motor wont start up. does it spin up? can you hear it starting up?
hook up the drive independent of the removable tray interface, if it has
one.
did you use fdisk to look at the partition?
boot up win98dos from bootdisk.com and put IDE2 in the master slot
configured as a master.
did you by any chance convert it to NTFS under winme? if so its not a dos
partition anymore.
did you check the cable? got a spare? re-insert the mobo side of the cable
to break oxidation?

James


"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
news:uqkMN1MlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Have 2 WDC 80GB drives. Normally, I connect only one at time. They are
> on removable trays. They connect via Promise 133 TX2 ide card. From this
> point on, I'll call the first one IDE1 and the second one IDE2. IDE2, I
> only connect to use as a target fro cloning purposes.
>
> IDE1 has system commander circa 2002 as boot manager. System commander is
> installed on a Windows ME partition as are its boot files and so forth.
>
> During my usual copy routine from the system commander menu for
> partitioning, found that IDE2 was inaccessbile. By that, I mean the LED
> on the removable tray for IDE2 lights up and remains that way for
> eternity.
>
> I've found same results using a Windows 98SE boot diskette, ME boot
> diskette, Linux boot diskette (kernel panic), windows 98SE explorer,
> windows ME explorer, XP SP2 explorer, WD boot diskette with WD hard drive
> tools. What's unusual about it is that from the boot diskettes, the IDE2
> is accessed without me telling it do that. I've tried disabling onboard
> ide and SATA via bios. Same results.
>
> The only thing slightly different is when I put IDE2 in a firewire
> enclosure. Using disk manager, gives me a message that its accessing the
> IDE2. Then another message to please wait. Gave it 20 minutes, no
> change. When I right clicked properties of the drive, then indicated to
> populate, gave it another 20 minutes, nothing, I cancelled. A message
> popped up that indicated that one of the partitions may be of Windows 2000
> nature. PC has never had 2K on it. What about this Windows 2000 thing?
>
> --
> Dave
>
> >

"James W. Long" <JamesLong@wowway.com> wrote:

>>How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3
>>months
> >old?
>
>as if you arent already paying.
>
>
>> An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
>
>well I should hope not if youve actually researched the useless way war
>was waged - and the much higher number of lives it cost...
>

Smooth move.

Pay attention.

The money for the current "war", police action in my book, is coming
directly from Social Security funds. If you're older, not independently
wealthy, this is a high concern.

The way it was done in the past was borrowing from the future in terms of
money. That is for an actual war.

The reason I suggest the tax is for those so-called conservatives to fess up
with their pocket book to support such so-called wars that are not. Both
Congress and the Senate would double take before allowing such a conflict.

WinME can't convert to any 3 versions of NTFS period, won't boot that way
anyway. Jumper is fine. Nevermind...
--
Dave

How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3 months
old?

An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
"James W. Long" <JamesLong@wowway.com> wrote in message
news:NvOdnQpZx5WMN27anZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d@wideopenwest .com...
>
>
>>How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3
>>months
> >old?
>
> as if you arent already paying.
>
>
>> An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
>
> well I should hope not if youve actually researched the useless way war
> was waged - and the much higher number of lives it cost...
>
>
>
> maybe you lost a jumper off IDE2 since you move it around alot.
> maybe the motor wont start up. does it spin up? can you hear it starting
> up?
> hook up the drive independent of the removable tray interface, if it has
> one.
> did you use fdisk to look at the partition?
> boot up win98dos from bootdisk.com and put IDE2 in the master slot
> configured as a master.
> did you by any chance convert it to NTFS under winme? if so its not a dos
> partition anymore.
> did you check the cable? got a spare? re-insert the mobo side of the cable
> to break oxidation?
>
> James
>
>
> "Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
> news:uqkMN1MlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Have 2 WDC 80GB drives. Normally, I connect only one at time. They are
>> on removable trays. They connect via Promise 133 TX2 ide card. From
>> this point on, I'll call the first one IDE1 and the second one IDE2.
>> IDE2, I only connect to use as a target fro cloning purposes.
>>
>> IDE1 has system commander circa 2002 as boot manager. System commander
>> is installed on a Windows ME partition as are its boot files and so
>> forth.
>>
>> During my usual copy routine from the system commander menu for
>> partitioning, found that IDE2 was inaccessbile. By that, I mean the LED
>> on the removable tray for IDE2 lights up and remains that way for
>> eternity.
>>
>> I've found same results using a Windows 98SE boot diskette, ME boot
>> diskette, Linux boot diskette (kernel panic), windows 98SE explorer,
>> windows ME explorer, XP SP2 explorer, WD boot diskette with WD hard drive
>> tools. What's unusual about it is that from the boot diskettes, the IDE2
>> is accessed without me telling it do that. I've tried disabling onboard
>> ide and SATA via bios. Same results.
>>
>> The only thing slightly different is when I put IDE2 in a firewire
>> enclosure. Using disk manager, gives me a message that its accessing the
>> IDE2. Then another message to please wait. Gave it 20 minutes, no
>> change. When I right clicked properties of the drive, then indicated to
>> populate, gave it another 20 minutes, nothing, I cancelled. A message
>> popped up that indicated that one of the partitions may be of Windows
>> 2000 nature. PC has never had 2K on it. What about this Windows 2000
>> thing?
>>
>> --
>> Dave
>>
>> >
>
>

Lil' Dave wrote:

> Pay attention.
>
> The money for the current "war", police action in my book, is coming
> directly from Social Security funds. If you're older, not independently
> wealthy, this is a high concern.
>
> The way it was done in the past was borrowing from the future in terms of
> money. That is for an actual war.
>
> The reason I suggest the tax is for those so-called conservatives to fess up
> with their pocket book to support such so-called wars that are not. Both
> Congress and the Senate would double take before allowing such a conflict.

I agree that funding for the George & Dick's Excellent Adventure is
done by emergency funding instead of the more honest budget process, but
I think you'll find that the source of that funding is by borrowing
from sources other than SS. Borrowing from China (etc.) is even worse
than borrowing from SS, because the interest leaves the country.
--
Cheers, Bob

"Bob Willard" <BobwBSGS@TrashThis.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:%23wD7tkXlIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Lil' Dave wrote:
>
>> Pay attention.
>>
>> The money for the current "war", police action in my book, is coming
>> directly from Social Security funds. If you're older, not independently
>> wealthy, this is a high concern.
>>
>> The way it was done in the past was borrowing from the future in terms of
>> money. That is for an actual war.
>>
>> The reason I suggest the tax is for those so-called conservatives to fess
>> up with their pocket book to support such so-called wars that are not.
>> Both Congress and the Senate would double take before allowing such a
>> conflict.
>
> I agree that funding for the George & Dick's Excellent Adventure is
> done by emergency funding instead of the more honest budget process, but
> I think you'll find that the source of that funding is by borrowing
> from sources other than SS. Borrowing from China (etc.) is even worse
> than borrowing from SS, because the interest leaves the country.
> --
> Cheers, Bob

Borrowing, at least at the grass roots level is not based on prospects of
the future. This is called speculation. At grass roots, its based on
current income and outgo to determine if borrowing is possible.
All the hubbub about a NY lender going bellyup was based on speculation, the
borrowers essentially signed a contract also speculating on their economic
futures to improve considerably to repay their ARM loans. I don't think any
taxpayer should bail anyone out.
My point being is our government is speculating our future away. The
similarities between their means of supporting a budget from year to year
are very similar to the NY lender.
--
Dave

How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3 months
old?

An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.