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Old 07-26-2008, 07:15 AM
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Is RAID 1 enough?

I am considering putting RAID 1 on the new machine I am building, with XP
Pro.

Reading the documentation on the Intel motherboard it seems one needs to do
the <F6> tinkering with the BIOS at the very beginning of the installation of
XP Pro.

I like the RAID 1 concept, but what happens if the motherboard fails? Is
there a danger of losing all the data on the mirrored disks after replacing
the motherboard? It seems one would have to go through the <F6> procedure
again so the motherboard accepts a RAID configuration. Does that force a
Clean Install??
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Old 07-26-2008, 12:08 PM
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Re: Is RAID 1 enough?

In article <7F205E15-6BAB-481C-B62E-C7F9939EFD2D@microsoft.com>,
Sternkreuzer@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> I like the RAID 1 concept, but what happens if the motherboard fails? Is
> there a danger of losing all the data on the mirrored disks after replacing
> the motherboard? It seems one would have to go through the <F6> procedure
> again so the motherboard accepts a RAID configuration. Does that force a
> Clean Install??


RAID is REDUNDANT DRIVES, it's not a backup method, it's not a data
security method, it's not about data, it's about having a second (in the
case of RAID-1) drive to continue operations of the other drive fails.

RAID should NEVER be considered a backup method for data.

If your RAID Controller Fails - such as a mother board, there is a good
chance that your RAID will be lost.

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Old 07-26-2008, 05:44 PM
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Re: Is RAID 1 enough?

On Jul 26, 7:08*am, Leythos <v...@nowhere.lan> wrote:
> In article <7F205E15-6BAB-481C-B62E-C7F9939EF...@microsoft.com>,
> Sternkreu...@discussions.microsoft.com says...
>
> > I like the RAID 1 concept, but what happens if the motherboard fails? Is
> > there a danger of losing all the data on the mirrored disks after replacing
> > the motherboard? It seems one would have to go through the <F6> procedure
> > again so the motherboard accepts a RAID configuration. Does that force a
> > Clean Install??

>
> RAID is REDUNDANT DRIVES, it's not a backup method, it's not a data
> security method, it's not about data, it's about having a second (in the
> case of RAID-1) drive to continue operations of the other drive fails.
>
> RAID should NEVER be considered a backup method for data.
>
> If your RAID Controller Fails - such as a mother board, there is a good
> chance that your RAID will be lost.
>
> --
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> * drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> spam999f...@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)


If the RAID controller fails, wouldn't he be able to easily replace
the controller without any data loss?
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Old 07-26-2008, 06:06 PM
Leythos
 
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Re: Is RAID 1 enough?

In article <8a6aa074-462e-484b-a3b1-8f24083093d9
@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, agreenbhm@gmail.com says...
> On Jul 26, 7:08*am, Leythos <v...@nowhere.lan> wrote:
> > In article <7F205E15-6BAB-481C-B62E-C7F9939EF...@microsoft.com>,
> > Sternkreu...@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> >
> > > I like the RAID 1 concept, but what happens if the motherboard fails?Is
> > > there a danger of losing all the data on the mirrored disks after replacing
> > > the motherboard? It seems one would have to go through the <F6> procedure
> > > again so the motherboard accepts a RAID configuration. Does that force a
> > > Clean Install??

> >
> > RAID is REDUNDANT DRIVES, it's not a backup method, it's not a data
> > security method, it's not about data, it's about having a second (in the
> > case of RAID-1) drive to continue operations of the other drive fails.
> >
> > RAID should NEVER be considered a backup method for data.
> >
> > If your RAID Controller Fails - such as a mother board, there is a good
> > chance that your RAID will be lost.

>
> If the RAID controller fails, wouldn't he be able to easily replace
> the controller without any data loss?


Not always. Some will put their own structure on the drive, some
controllers won't allow you to add drives with data already on them to
the controller without wiping it, etc....

RAID is for hardware, not a backup. You need a BACKUP if you want to be
able to restore data.

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Old 07-28-2008, 06:39 PM
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Re: Is RAID 1 enough?

No RAID configuration is a replacement for doing regular backups. I don't
have any experience with on-board RAID but I had a discontinued RAID card
fail and had to replace it with a newer model. This required a fresh install
followed by a restore of all data from backup. I would imagine if your MB
dies after its production life is over, you will have issues unless you can
find a used replacement. Long story short, don't depend on RAID as an
alternative to backups.
Louis

"Sternkreuzer" <Sternkreuzer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7F205E15-6BAB-481C-B62E-C7F9939EFD2D@microsoft.com...
> I am considering putting RAID 1 on the new machine I am building, with

XP
> Pro.
>
> Reading the documentation on the Intel motherboard it seems one needs to

do
> the <F6> tinkering with the BIOS at the very beginning of the installation

of
> XP Pro.
>
> I like the RAID 1 concept, but what happens if the motherboard fails? Is
> there a danger of losing all the data on the mirrored disks after

replacing
> the motherboard? It seems one would have to go through the <F6> procedure
> again so the motherboard accepts a RAID configuration. Does that force a
> Clean Install??



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Old 07-30-2008, 07:24 AM
Jeff Barnett
 
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Re: Is RAID 1 enough?

Sternkreuzer wrote:
> I am considering putting RAID 1 on the new machine I am building, with XP
> Pro.
>
> Reading the documentation on the Intel motherboard it seems one needs to do
> the <F6> tinkering with the BIOS at the very beginning of the installation of
> XP Pro.
>
> I like the RAID 1 concept, but what happens if the motherboard fails? Is
> there a danger of losing all the data on the mirrored disks after replacing
> the motherboard? It seems one would have to go through the <F6> procedure
> again so the motherboard accepts a RAID configuration. Does that force a
> Clean Install??
>

My experience is as follows: if the Intel motherboard fails and you
replace it with the same model, the raid will recover and be usable. I
have replaced my motherboard and the RAID survived. (Note, I had both a
RAID 0 for as the boot disk and a RAID 1 as a data disk and both survived.)

The answer to a question you didn't ask: Yes, it is necessary to backup
a RAID 1 just like any other disk.

-- Jeff Barnett

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