there is no reason why you can't use tables in a website to display tabulated
data, i.e numbers.

but now a days, lots of people view pages on blackberrys, mobiles etc.
where tables just do not seem to work.

at the end of the day, a site needs to be as accessible to the largest amout
of people, including people with visual, or hearing disabilities, and tables
are not great at forfilling this requirement.

that is why the world wide web consortium do not encourage their over use, and
enencourage the use of css.

they have no financial or political advantage in suggesting this, so i don't
think its a css conspiracy.

i mean we start a movement where we force everyone to use Firefox, not
just encourage. you know a lot of people only design their sites for IE?
we do the opposite. every website we create has a comment for IE users
that says our sites only work in Firefox so they need to switch.

if we all band together, we can't be stopped!

P@tty Ayers ~ACE wrote:
>
> "courtney (n h c)" <webmaster@newhomeconnection.com> wrote in message
> news:g96og4$bpc$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>> actually, what i REALLY would like is for everyone to just use Firefox.
>>
>> i say we start a movement!
>
> That movement has been loudly prominently noisily going on for years
> now. :\
>
>

"djinn" <scobies@dsl.pipexYerKitAff.com> wrote in message
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> Thierry wrote:
>> "Walt F. Schaefer" <walt@waltswebworx.com> wrote in message
>> news:g9933t$suu$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>>> You just don't get it, do you?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>
> Gotta be Pablo - pulling everyone's plonkers - no?

;-)

Thierry

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>"Joe Makowiec" <makowiec@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>news:Xns9B08A2ED4507BmakowiecatnycapdotrE@216.104 .212.96...
>> On 28 Aug 2008 in macromedia.dreamweaver, courtney (n h c) wrote:
>>
>>> now, if only we could find a way to make everyone using older versions
>>> of IE upgrade to the new version. can you imagine how much easier our
>>> jobs would be??
>>
>> <!--[if IE]>
>> <h2>Please upgrade</h2>
>> <p>Your browser is out of date. Please <a href="http://firefox.com/">
>> upgrade it</a> soon!</p>
>> <![endif]-->
>
>Doesn't make sense to call *all* IE browsers "out of date", does it?

All current public IEs _are_ out of date. IE 8 is still in beta.

Micha

..oO(cgarber)

>Bag the opinions of people who say you can't use tables. Just use tables. If
>you export html from photoshop, it uses tables. It is even debatable which is
>better. I don't like using divs either. Just use tables and blow off those who
>think they are better because they use divs.
>
> And here is my main point: Your customers don't care ****at all*** whether you
>use Divs or tables. I guarantee that.

They may if my pages load faster than yours.

Micha

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:55:18 -0400, "Murray *ACE*"
<forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:

>Or if they rank higher in the SE search....

Or if they are easier to maintain and easier to change down the
road...

Win
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"jimmything" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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>I am really interested to see a web page that you big shots have designed.
>No disrespect by using the term big shots, but I think that you know who
>you are.

Times change...
People who advocate the use of CSS for layout are now called "big shots".
Back in the day, they were called zealots... or worse. ;-)


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Hi Ruby - I think I'm in a similar boat. I'd suggest create the sites in a
manner you feel comfortable with and then try to recreate them, or any other
table-based design using CSS. And if you haven't already, do work through the
six-part Designing with CSS tutorials by Adrian Senior, one page at a time. It
feeds the concepts in small bites and builds on them gradually. And don't be
afraid to re-do any of the tutorials! Good luck - Lisa

"Thierry" <thierry@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> "jimmything" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
> news:g949at$bu0$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>>I am really interested to see a web page that you big shots have designed.
>>No disrespect by using the term big shots, but I think that you know who
>>you are.
>
> Times change...
> People who advocate the use of CSS for layout are now called "big shots".

Oh - I thought he was talking to me.

> Back in the day, they were called zealots... or worse. ;-)

You all are still called zealots when you act like zealots - " filled with
or characterized by fervent partisanship for a person, a cause, or an
ideal." :-)


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"Win Day" <winday@wildrosewebsites.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:55:18 -0400, "Murray *ACE*"
> <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:
>
>>Or if they rank higher in the SE search....
>
> Or if they are easier to maintain and easier to change down the
> road...

True, but once again, what gives a page all of those fine qualities is not
just avoiding the use of tables, but valid, clean markup, which certainly
can include a judicious use of a table or two for layout without
compromising ANY of those goals.

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