On my FF 3.01 I have the 'unfiled bookmarks' folder and not the
'unsorted bookmarks' folder, it is doing the same thing, storing the
bookmark when you press the "Awesomebar" Bookmark Star.

My question is, what is the correct default setting for FF3.0, 'unsorted
bookmarks' or 'unfiled bookmarks'.

Jack wrote:
> On my FF 3.01 I have the 'unfiled bookmarks' folder and not the
> 'unsorted bookmarks' folder, it is doing the same thing, storing the
> bookmark when you press the "Awesomebar" Bookmark Star.
>
> My question is, what is the correct default setting for FF3.0, 'unsorted
> bookmarks' or 'unfiled bookmarks'.


Minor system discrepancy

On some systems (Windows) it is called unfiled bookmarks
On other systems (Mac) is it called unsorted bookmarks

not sure about Linux in this case

they are the same thing

Jack wrote:
> On my FF 3.01 I have the 'unfiled bookmarks' folder and not the
> 'unsorted bookmarks' folder, it is doing the same thing, storing the
> bookmark when you press the "Awesomebar" Bookmark Star.
>
> My question is, what is the correct default setting for FF3.0, 'unsorted
> bookmarks' or 'unfiled bookmarks'.
I believe someone found that if it says 'unfiled', then you got it from
an older install, and if it says 'unsorted', then it came from a clean
install.

"Moz Champion (Dan)" <moz.champion@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:K6Kdnd6UI7RErxrVnZ2dnUVZ_t_inZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
> Jack wrote:
>> On my FF 3.01 I have the 'unfiled bookmarks' folder and not the
>> 'unsorted bookmarks' folder, it is doing the same thing, storing the
>> bookmark when you press the "Awesomebar" Bookmark Star.
>>
>> My question is, what is the correct default setting for FF3.0, 'unsorted
>> bookmarks' or 'unfiled bookmarks'.
>
>
> Minor system discrepancy
>
> On some systems (Windows) it is called unfiled bookmarks
> On other systems (Mac) is it called unsorted bookmarks
>
> not sure about Linux in this case
>
> they are the same thing

That's diplomatically answered about which is correct.

Actually if you were to create a new profile on Windows now it
would indicate "Unsorted bookmarks", also on the Bookmarks
Menu you would now see a shortcut of Ctrl+Shift+B for
Organize Bookmarks.

Even though called "Unsorted bookmarks" you can sort them,
but you now have to sort on the folders rather than within a folder
so you have to sort independently "Bookmarks Toolbar", "Bookmarks Menu"
and the "Unfiled Bookmarks"/"Unsorted Bookmarks"

The instant bookmarking into the "Unfiled"/"Unsorted" places
a heavy penalty on experienced users who use bookmarks folders
and were willing to choose where bookmarks went into, which is
something that used to stick but now always reverts to the new folder.
The new bookmarking has created many problems for which counter solutions
have been created and they in turn create problems, so that it is hard to retain a
bookmark a page where you actually want it in a new folder, or to create
another bookmark with the same url in another folder as an existing bookmark.

--
HTH,
David McRitchie, extensions I use are briefly documented on my site
Firefox Custom: http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/firefox.htm

David McRitchie wrote:
> "Moz Champion (Dan)" <moz.champion@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:K6Kdnd6UI7RErxrVnZ2dnUVZ_t_inZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
>> Jack wrote:
>>> On my FF 3.01 I have the 'unfiled bookmarks' folder and not the
>>> 'unsorted bookmarks' folder, it is doing the same thing, storing the
>>> bookmark when you press the "Awesomebar" Bookmark Star.
>>>
>>> My question is, what is the correct default setting for FF3.0,
>>> 'unsorted bookmarks' or 'unfiled bookmarks'.
>>
>>
>> Minor system discrepancy
>>
>> On some systems (Windows) it is called unfiled bookmarks
>> On other systems (Mac) is it called unsorted bookmarks
>>
>> not sure about Linux in this case
>>
>> they are the same thing
>
> That's diplomatically answered about which is correct.
>
> Actually if you were to create a new profile on Windows now it
> would indicate "Unsorted bookmarks", also on the Bookmarks
> Menu you would now see a shortcut of Ctrl+Shift+B for
> Organize Bookmarks.
> Even though called "Unsorted bookmarks" you can sort them, but you now
> have to sort on the folders rather than within a folder
> so you have to sort independently "Bookmarks Toolbar", "Bookmarks Menu"
> and the "Unfiled Bookmarks"/"Unsorted Bookmarks"
>
> The instant bookmarking into the "Unfiled"/"Unsorted" places
> a heavy penalty on experienced users who use bookmarks folders
> and were willing to choose where bookmarks went into, which is
> something that used to stick but now always reverts to the new folder.
> The new bookmarking has created many problems for which counter
> solutions have been created and they in turn create problems, so that
> it is hard to retain a bookmark a page where you actually want it in a
> new folder, or to create
> another bookmark with the same url in another folder as an existing
> bookmark.
>


I don't see a problem. When I bookmark a page, the program asks me where
to put it. I tell it. What problem?

"Moz Champion (Dan)" wrote:..
> I don't see a problem. When I bookmark a page, the program asks me where
> to put it. I tell it. What problem?

There is no "New Folder" button, and if you were to add the missing button
you can end up with a messed up places file, that has to be restored.

Before if you bookmarked a file, you would be able to put the next bookmark
into to the same folder because it would be already set to do that and you
would see that, of course you could choose another location. The "Star"
system has to bookmark the page before you even can tailor the bookmark
to how you want it, so it has to put it into "Unfiled"/"Unsorted" folder.
The most important two features of Firefox bookmarks are description (was
in Netscape), and keyword shortcut. The "Star" system hides Keyword, and
pushes unwieldy Tags (at least as implemented).

--
HTH,
David McRitchie, extensions I use are briefly documented on my site
Firefox Custom: http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/firefox.htm


That's for starters.
bookmark

David McRitchie wrote:
>
> "Moz Champion (Dan)" wrote:..
>> I don't see a problem. When I bookmark a page, the program asks me
>> where to put it. I tell it. What problem?
>
> There is no "New Folder" button, and if you were to add the missing
> button
> you can end up with a messed up places file, that has to be restored.
>
> Before if you bookmarked a file, you would be able to put the next
> bookmark
> into to the same folder because it would be already set to do that and
> you would see that, of course you could choose another location. The
> "Star"
> system has to bookmark the page before you even can tailor the bookmark
> to how you want it, so it has to put it into "Unfiled"/"Unsorted"
> folder. The most important two features of Firefox bookmarks are
> description (was in Netscape), and keyword shortcut. The "Star"
> system hides Keyword, and pushes unwieldy Tags (at least as
> implemented).
>


I hit Bookmarks-->Bookmark this page

I get a dialogue box where I can select what folder I want
select <Folder> for the dropdown list and select Choose
(or use the shortcut <v> button)
it gives you the choices of the folders in existance AND
at the bottom a <New> button

select that and I can create a new folder

so I create a new folder

when I bookmark another page, that folder is also available for me to
place it in.

so what is your problem?

Moz Champion (Dan)" wrote:..
> David McRitchie wrote:
>>
>> "Moz Champion (Dan)" wrote:..
>>> I don't see a problem. When I bookmark a page, the program asks me
>>> where to put it. I tell it. What problem?
>>
>> There is no "New Folder" button, and if you were to add the missing
>> button
>> you can end up with a messed up places file, that has to be restored.
>>
>> Before if you bookmarked a file, you would be able to put the next
>> bookmark
>> into to the same folder because it would be already set to do that and
>> you would see that, of course you could choose another location. The
>> "Star"
>> system has to bookmark the page before you even can tailor the bookmark
>> to how you want it, so it has to put it into "Unfiled"/"Unsorted"
>> folder. The most important two features of Firefox bookmarks are
>> description (was in Netscape), and keyword shortcut. The "Star"
>> system hides Keyword, and pushes unwieldy Tags (at least as
>> implemented).
>>
>
>
> I hit Bookmarks-->Bookmark this page
>
> I get a dialogue box where I can select what folder I want
> select <Folder> for the dropdown list and select Choose
> (or use the shortcut <v> button)
> it gives you the choices of the folders in existance AND
> at the bottom a <New> button
>
> select that and I can create a new folder
>
> so I create a new folder
>
> when I bookmark another page, that folder is also available for me to
> place it in.
>
> so what is your problem?

The new folder button was present and did work, in both 3.0 and 3.0.1
with old and new profiles, last time I messed up my bookmarks was on Saturday.,
Oh well, that's good, can't think of any reason why it works now for me and
not before.

The folder not sticking is collateral damage to forcing people into
"Unfiled"/"Unsorted" and is not the same as in version 2.
Pushing tags and trying to suppress keywords usages for new users
is a quality problem, makes for ignorant users. They made tags visible
and not keyword.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:46:52 -0400, Jack wrote:

> On my FF 3.01 I have the 'unfiled bookmarks' folder and not the
> 'unsorted bookmarks' folder, it is doing the same thing, storing the
> bookmark when you press the "Awesomebar" Bookmark Star.
>
> My question is, what is the correct default setting for FF3.0, 'unsorted
> bookmarks' or 'unfiled bookmarks'.

Misnomer

Mismanaged Bookmarks

--
Rom

David McRitchie wrote:
> Moz Champion (Dan)" wrote:..
>> David McRitchie wrote:
>>>
>>> "Moz Champion (Dan)" wrote:..
>>>> I don't see a problem. When I bookmark a page, the program asks me
>>>> where to put it. I tell it. What problem?
>>>
>>> There is no "New Folder" button, and if you were to add the
>>> missing button
>>> you can end up with a messed up places file, that has to be restored.
>>>
>>> Before if you bookmarked a file, you would be able to put the next
>>> bookmark
>>> into to the same folder because it would be already set to do that
>>> and you would see that, of course you could choose another
>>> location. The "Star"
>>> system has to bookmark the page before you even can tailor the bookmark
>>> to how you want it, so it has to put it into "Unfiled"/"Unsorted"
>>> folder. The most important two features of Firefox bookmarks are
>>> description (was in Netscape), and keyword shortcut. The "Star"
>>> system hides Keyword, and pushes unwieldy Tags (at least as
>>> implemented).
>>>
>>
>>
>> I hit Bookmarks-->Bookmark this page
>>
>> I get a dialogue box where I can select what folder I want
>> select <Folder> for the dropdown list and select Choose
>> (or use the shortcut <v> button)
>> it gives you the choices of the folders in existance AND
>> at the bottom a <New> button
>>
>> select that and I can create a new folder
>>
>> so I create a new folder
>>
>> when I bookmark another page, that folder is also available for me to
>> place it in.
>>
>> so what is your problem?
>
> The new folder button was present and did work, in both 3.0 and 3.0.1
> with old and new profiles, last time I messed up my bookmarks was on
> Saturday., Oh well, that's good, can't think of any reason why it
> works now for me and
> not before.
>
> The folder not sticking is collateral damage to forcing people into
> "Unfiled"/"Unsorted" and is not the same as in version 2.


Um, what problem?


In the above tests if I saved a bookmark in the NEW folder I created
then when I went to save another bookmark, THAT folder (the new one) was
the default!

So what is with this 'sticking' you claim? It 'sticks' to the last
folder you used.

> Pushing tags and trying to suppress keywords usages for new users
> is a quality problem, makes for ignorant users. They made tags visible
> and not keyword.

Ignorance is as Ignorance does.
Your <New> button works now
Your 'sticking' problem is resolved as well (here it is)
that's two out of three

so whats your problem, you prefer keywords instead of tags? Well then
maybe you should have been on the development team. Obviously they felt
otherwise. Nothing is going to be perfect, or always exactly the way we
want it.

I would have been pleased had they chosen not to include a pop up
blocker, but they did, so I adjust my settings to compensate. Perhaps
you can do the same?