How well is Thunderbird working on Vista?

How does the transition from Vista's Windows Mail work in terms of importing
existing messages, accounts and contacts?

How well can Thunderbird be customized to work on an 800 x 600 display? (I
tried Windows Live Mail at 800 x 600 and it was terrible, as described at
www.segal.org/tablet/live/).

Is Thunderbird 3 coming out as soon as Firefox 3, or will there be a much
longer wait?

"Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote:

> How well is Thunderbird working on Vista?

Thunderbird works exactly the same on Vista as it does on XP, great
email client, totally sucks as a newsreader.

> How does the transition from Vista's Windows Mail work in terms of
> importing existing messages, accounts and contacts?

Same as importing from XP's OE.

> How well can Thunderbird be customized to work on an 800 x 600
> display? (I tried Windows Live Mail at 800 x 600 and it was
> terrible, as described at www.segal.org/tablet/live/).

Possible, you'd have to try it and see if it suits your needs.

> Is Thunderbird 3 coming out as soon as Firefox 3, or will there be
> a much longer wait?

Don't know but you're welcome to start your own rumor! <G>

> "Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote:
>> Is Thunderbird 3 coming out as soon as Firefox 3, or will there be
>> a much longer wait?
>
> Don't know but you're welcome to start your own rumor! <G>

Is there a Thunderbird 3 beta out yet? If Thunderbird 2 "totally sucks as a
newsreader" it would be good to know of progress on newsreader functionality
before ditching Vista's Windows Mail.

Mickey Segal keyboarded, On 4/21/2008 3:21 PM :
>> "Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote:
>>> Is Thunderbird 3 coming out as soon as Firefox 3, or will there be
>>> a much longer wait?
>>
>> Don't know but you're welcome to start your own rumor! <G>
>
> Is there a Thunderbird 3 beta out yet? If Thunderbird 2 "totally
> sucks as a newsreader" it would be good to know of progress on
> newsreader functionality before ditching Vista's Windows Mail.

The unofficial goal is to release Tb3 late in the year. Do not expect a
Beta till about July. What is in the works is an Alpha in the next few
weeks.

What "Sucks" about Tb2 News is it's filtering. That is being addressed
with some patches now being tested in the nightly builds.

FYI, I have Tb running on Vista Home Basic without any problems. I just
despise Vista because it is not like Windows ME.

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"Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote:

>> "Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote:
>>> Is Thunderbird 3 coming out as soon as Firefox 3, or will there
>>> be a much longer wait?
>>
>> Don't know but you're welcome to start your own rumor! <G>
>
> Is there a Thunderbird 3 beta out yet?

http://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Thunderbird3

> If Thunderbird 2 "totally sucks as a newsreader" it would be good
> to know of progress on newsreader functionality before ditching
> Vista's Windows Mail.

Thunderbird 2 totally sucks as a newsreader but nowhere did I say it
was anywhere near as bad as Windows Mail or OE! <G>

Anything (except Google Groups) is better than Windows Mail or OE.

However, both T'burp and WM/OE share one failing, neither can properly
killfile or scorefile which makes them useless to me as newsreaders.



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"Ron K." <killjay@gisco.net> wrote:

> FYI, I have Tb running on Vista Home Basic without any problems.
> I just despise Vista because it is not like Windows ME.

It isn't like TRSDOS either but I've learned to live with it... <G>




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Could you explain what you mean by "filtering"? It doesn't sound like
something I depend on, but it would be good to know what it is before trying
TB.

My main motivation for ditching Vista's Windows Mail is that it is a dead
end, and such software tends to develop problems. There are a few
annoyances to Windows Mail (the funniest is the typing your name backwards
workaround in Contacts detailed at www.segal.org/vista/) and no one cares
about fixing them.

"Ron K." <killjay@gisco.net> wrote in message
news:YsydnQkbqebcb5HVnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
> What "Sucks" about Tb2 News is it's filtering. That is being addressed
> with some patches now being tested in the nightly builds.

Mickey Segal keyboarded, On 4/21/2008 5:35 PM :
> Could you explain what you mean by "filtering"? It doesn't sound like
> something I depend on, but it would be good to know what it is before
> trying TB.
>
> My main motivation for ditching Vista's Windows Mail is that it is a
> dead end, and such software tends to develop problems. There are a
> few annoyances to Windows Mail (the funniest is the typing your name
> backwards workaround in Contacts detailed at www.segal.org/vista/) and
> no one cares about fixing them.
>
> "Ron K." <killjay@gisco.net> wrote in message
> news:YsydnQkbqebcb5HVnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
>> What "Sucks" about Tb2 News is it's filtering. That is being
>> addressed with some patches now being tested in the nightly builds.
>

Single purpose newsreaders such as Xnews offer a "Kill File" function
which is really a filter that intercepts messages that match a pattern
and does not display it in the threads view. Another example would be
to apply a Tag or a color label to preferred matches.

The Mail reader has had filtering which permits many actions such as
moving messages between folder. When the Mozilla.Org project started up
many features were deliberately postponed. I doubt that those making
the decisions expected it would take 8-9 years for some of the
postponements to be worked on.

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XS11E keyboarded, On 4/21/2008 4:13 PM :
> "Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> "Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is Thunderbird 3 coming out as soon as Firefox 3, or will there
>>>> be a much longer wait?
>>>>
>>> Don't know but you're welcome to start your own rumor! <G>
>>>
>> Is there a Thunderbird 3 beta out yet?
>>
>
> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Thunderbird3
>
>
>> If Thunderbird 2 "totally sucks as a newsreader" it would be good
>> to know of progress on newsreader functionality before ditching
>> Vista's Windows Mail.
>>
>
> Thunderbird 2 totally sucks as a newsreader but nowhere did I say it
> was anywhere near as bad as Windows Mail or OE! <G>
>
> Anything (except Google Groups) is better than Windows Mail or OE.
>
> However, both T'burp and WM/OE share one failing, neither can properly
> killfile or scorefile which makes them useless to me as newsreaders.

When the Tb3a1 becomes available You can try its Kill function. The
backend patch is being tested now in the nightlies. The front end UI
patch is in the works. Bugzilla Bug
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11054

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"Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote:

> Could you explain what you mean by "filtering"? It doesn't sound
> like something I depend on, but it would be good to know what it
> is before trying TB.

Filtering is a way of eliminating what you don't want, just as a coffee
filter keeps the grounds out of the coffee, a newsreader needs a means
of preventing unwanted messages from being seen. Notice my signature,
I kill posts originating from Google Groups as that's the source of a
huge amount of Usenet spam. Xnews has a killfile/bozobin/plonkfile
that allows me to eliminate all posts from a specific person and it
also allows scoring with is a feature that lets me assign a score to
messages. I assign -9999 to posts from Google Grouper so that I don't
see their posts and a score of -5000 to replies to posts from Google
Groupers so that they're flagged but I can read them if I want to.
Scoring also does the reverse, it allows me to assign a higher score to
posts or threads I want to follow.

Probably a better explaination here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorefile

BTW, I think T'burp is pretty weak on email filtering as well but I use
an external program, POPFile, to catch spam emails.


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