I am changing ISPs but the new one says it provides only Internet
connection, so I cannot use it to send smtp emails. It's the first time
I encounter this kind of situation, but it is also the first time I
subscribe to an ISP that does not provide email account, which I don't
need since I am still using an nyu.edu email account, which, however
does not provide smtp service for people using other ISPs.

But does an ISP have to provide an email account in order to provide
smtp service?

Any other ideas besides reversing the ISP change?

Thanks,

emf

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Eustace wrote:
> I am changing ISPs but the new one says it provides only Internet
> connection, so I cannot use it to send smtp emails. It's the first time
> I encounter this kind of situation, but it is also the first time I
> subscribe to an ISP that does not provide email account, which I don't
> need since I am still using an nyu.edu email account, which, however
> does not provide smtp service for people using other ISPs.
>
> But does an ISP have to provide an email account in order to provide
> smtp service?
>
> Any other ideas besides reversing the ISP change?
>
> Thanks,
>
> emf
>


An ISP doesn't 'have' to provide anything other than what is in it's
Terms of Service (TOS) - which they write of course.

Generally speaking, no, an ISP doesn't have to provide email service but
may have a smtp server for your use - although personally I don't know
of any ISPs who are configured in this manner.

My advice is to get an ISP that provides both http and smtp service,
there is no harm in having two email adresses (even if you don't use
one). Attempt to get one that allows relaying of mail tho.

Eustace wrote:
> I am changing ISPs but the new one says it provides only Internet
> connection, so I cannot use it to send smtp emails. It's the first time
> I encounter this kind of situation, but it is also the first time I
> subscribe to an ISP that does not provide email account, which I don't
> need since I am still using an nyu.edu email account, which, however
> does not provide smtp service for people using other ISPs.
>
> But does an ISP have to provide an email account in order to provide
> smtp service?
>
> Any other ideas besides reversing the ISP change?
>
> Thanks,
>
> emf
>
Get a gmail or yahoo mail account and use that for all your mail.
Better yet get more than one account. One for friends only and one or
more for commercial stuff - like Ebay.
You will then be able to use your browser for all email.
Such an account will allow you to keep the same email address(s) as you
move about.

Lou

Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
> Eustace wrote:
>> I am changing ISPs but the new one says it provides only Internet
>> connection, so I cannot use it to send smtp emails. It's the first
>> time I encounter this kind of situation, but it is also the first time
>> I subscribe to an ISP that does not provide email account, which I
>> don't need since I am still using an nyu.edu email account, which,
>> however does not provide smtp service for people using other ISPs.
>>
>> But does an ISP have to provide an email account in order to provide
>> smtp service?
>>
>> Any other ideas besides reversing the ISP change?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> emf
>>
>
>
> An ISP doesn't 'have' to provide anything other than what is in it's
> Terms of Service (TOS) - which they write of course.
>
> Generally speaking, no, an ISP doesn't have to provide email service but
> may have a smtp server for your use - although personally I don't know
> of any ISPs who are configured in this manner.

My ISP Be* provides SMTP only for its Value customers and does not
provide mailboxes.
This is so they have control over port 25.

> My advice is to get an ISP that provides both http and smtp service,
> there is no harm in having two email adresses (even if you don't use
> one). Attempt to get one that allows relaying of mail tho.

--
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http://find-out-more.brion.me.uk - http://email-me.brion.me.uk

On 2008-07-23 09:54 Lou wrote:
> Eustace wrote:
>> I am changing ISPs but the new one says it provides only Internet
>> connection, so I cannot use it to send smtp emails. It's the first
>> time I encounter this kind of situation, but it is also the first time
>> I subscribe to an ISP that does not provide email account, which I
>> don't need since I am still using an nyu.edu email account, which,
>> however does not provide smtp service for people using other ISPs.
>>
>> But does an ISP have to provide an email account in order to provide
>> smtp service?
>>
>> Any other ideas besides reversing the ISP change?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> emf
>>
> Get a gmail or yahoo mail account and use that for all your mail.
> Better yet get more than one account. One for friends only and one or
> more for commercial stuff - like Ebay.
> You will then be able to use your browser for all email.
> Such an account will allow you to keep the same email address(s) as you
> move about.
>
> Lou

I do have 2 yahoo accounts as well as the email.com one, but I prefer an
account I've kept an nyu.edu as my primary one, that I have kept for the
last 12 years and I am planning to keep in the future; I can access it
on the web, but I prefer to download the messages to TB. And my solution
has been using TB filters to specify different colored tags to separate
messages from friends etc.

(The yahoo accounts are associated with websites and I don't use them
much. Again I prefer to access them through TB with the webmail
extension, the problem however is that the extension has to keep up with
changes by yahoo, and that means that often for rather long periods,
like now, I can't download the messages in TB.)

emf

--
It ain't THAT, babe! - A radical reinterpretation
http://www.geocities.com/itaintme_babe/itaintme.html

On 2008-07-23 09:39 Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
> Eustace wrote:
>> I am changing ISPs but the new one says it provides only Internet
>> connection, so I cannot use it to send smtp emails. It's the first
>> time I encounter this kind of situation, but it is also the first time
>> I subscribe to an ISP that does not provide email account, which I
>> don't need since I am still using an nyu.edu email account, which,
>> however does not provide smtp service for people using other ISPs.
>>
>> But does an ISP have to provide an email account in order to provide
>> smtp service?
>>
>> Any other ideas besides reversing the ISP change?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> emf
>>
>
>
> An ISP doesn't 'have' to provide anything other than what is in it's
> Terms of Service (TOS) - which they write of course.
>
> Generally speaking, no, an ISP doesn't have to provide email service but
> may have a smtp server for your use - although personally I don't know
> of any ISPs who are configured in this manner.
>
> My advice is to get an ISP that provides both http and smtp service,
> there is no harm in having two email adresses (even if you don't use
> one). Attempt to get one that allows relaying of mail tho.

Yes, I'll find an ISP that provides also email, and hence smtp service.
It would be nice, though, if there were some extension that could use
the nyu.edu composer to send messages through Thunderbird. Or that some
good man would provide a smtp service for free to anyone who needs it;
it should be easier than providing free Internet access, that some do.

Eustace

--
It ain't THAT, babe! - A radical reinterpretation
http://www.geocities.com/itaintme_babe/itaintme.html

Eustace wrote:
> On 2008-07-23 09:39 Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>> Eustace wrote:
>>> I am changing ISPs but the new one says it provides only Internet
>>> connection, so I cannot use it to send smtp emails. It's the first
>>> time I encounter this kind of situation, but it is also the first
>>> time I subscribe to an ISP that does not provide email account, which
>>> I don't need since I am still using an nyu.edu email account, which,
>>> however does not provide smtp service for people using other ISPs.
>>>
>>> But does an ISP have to provide an email account in order to provide
>>> smtp service?
>>>
>>> Any other ideas besides reversing the ISP change?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> emf
>>>
>>
>>
>> An ISP doesn't 'have' to provide anything other than what is in it's
>> Terms of Service (TOS) - which they write of course.
>>
>> Generally speaking, no, an ISP doesn't have to provide email service
>> but may have a smtp server for your use - although personally I don't
>> know of any ISPs who are configured in this manner.
>>
>> My advice is to get an ISP that provides both http and smtp service,
>> there is no harm in having two email adresses (even if you don't use
>> one). Attempt to get one that allows relaying of mail tho.
>
> Yes, I'll find an ISP that provides also email, and hence smtp service.
> It would be nice, though, if there were some extension that could use
> the nyu.edu composer to send messages through Thunderbird. Or that some
> good man would provide a smtp service for free to anyone who needs it;
> it should be easier than providing free Internet access, that some do.
>
> Eustace
>


Most Universities won't allow 'relaying' of mail anyway.
It would be 'relaying' if you were not using your nyu.edu address as the
'from' or from the nyu.edu connections.
This is done to prevent spam

Of the three ISPs I had (down to two now) one allows relaying, another
doesn't, and the other one had a time limit before you could use it (a
month or so and you had to request it). So even with 'pay' ISPs,
relaying is not a given.

well, you can get a FREE gmail account
go to gmail and sign up Type gmail into the location bar of your
browser.
When you create the account take the POP type
then you can check the mail right from Thunderbird

On 2008-07-24 07:45 Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
> Eustace wrote:
>> On 2008-07-23 09:39 Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>>> Eustace wrote:
>>>> I am changing ISPs but the new one says it provides only Internet
>>>> connection, so I cannot use it to send smtp emails. It's the first
>>>> time I encounter this kind of situation, but it is also the first
>>>> time I subscribe to an ISP that does not provide email account,
>>>> which I don't need since I am still using an nyu.edu email account,
>>>> which, however does not provide smtp service for people using other
>>>> ISPs.
>>>>
>>>> But does an ISP have to provide an email account in order to provide
>>>> smtp service?
>>>>
>>>> Any other ideas besides reversing the ISP change?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> emf
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> An ISP doesn't 'have' to provide anything other than what is in it's
>>> Terms of Service (TOS) - which they write of course.
>>>
>>> Generally speaking, no, an ISP doesn't have to provide email service
>>> but may have a smtp server for your use - although personally I don't
>>> know of any ISPs who are configured in this manner.
>>>
>>> My advice is to get an ISP that provides both http and smtp service,
>>> there is no harm in having two email adresses (even if you don't use
>>> one). Attempt to get one that allows relaying of mail tho.
>>
>> Yes, I'll find an ISP that provides also email, and hence smtp
>> service. It would be nice, though, if there were some extension that
>> could use the nyu.edu composer to send messages through Thunderbird.
>> Or that some good man would provide a smtp service for free to anyone
>> who needs it; it should be easier than providing free Internet access,
>> that some do.
>>
>> Eustace
>>
>
>
> Most Universities won't allow 'relaying' of mail anyway.
> It would be 'relaying' if you were not using your nyu.edu address as the
> 'from' or from the nyu.edu connections.
> This is done to prevent spam
>
> Of the three ISPs I had (down to two now) one allows relaying, another
> doesn't, and the other one had a time limit before you could use it (a
> month or so and you had to request it). So even with 'pay' ISPs,
> relaying is not a given.
>
> well, you can get a FREE gmail account
> go to gmail and sign up Type gmail into the location bar of your
> browser.
> When you create the account take the POP type
> then you can check the mail right from Thunderbird

Is there any real difference between yahoo and gmail? With the webmail
extension I can get my yahoo messages in TB, at least when the extension
works. I believe I can also set it up so I can send messages through
yahoo, but I seldom use that address to send messages, and it can easier
be done through an ISP with smtp.

Eustace

--
It ain't THAT, babe! - A radical reinterpretation
http://www.geocities.com/itaintme_babe/itaintme.html

Eustace wrote:
> On 2008-07-24 07:45 Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>> Eustace wrote:
>>> On 2008-07-23 09:39 Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>>>> Eustace wrote:
>>>>> I am changing ISPs but the new one says it provides only Internet
>>>>> connection, so I cannot use it to send smtp emails. It's the first
>>>>> time I encounter this kind of situation, but it is also the first
>>>>> time I subscribe to an ISP that does not provide email account,
>>>>> which I don't need since I am still using an nyu.edu email account,
>>>>> which, however does not provide smtp service for people using other
>>>>> ISPs.
>>>>>
>>>>> But does an ISP have to provide an email account in order to
>>>>> provide smtp service?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any other ideas besides reversing the ISP change?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> emf
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An ISP doesn't 'have' to provide anything other than what is in it's
>>>> Terms of Service (TOS) - which they write of course.
>>>>
>>>> Generally speaking, no, an ISP doesn't have to provide email service
>>>> but may have a smtp server for your use - although personally I
>>>> don't know of any ISPs who are configured in this manner.
>>>>
>>>> My advice is to get an ISP that provides both http and smtp service,
>>>> there is no harm in having two email adresses (even if you don't use
>>>> one). Attempt to get one that allows relaying of mail tho.
>>>
>>> Yes, I'll find an ISP that provides also email, and hence smtp
>>> service. It would be nice, though, if there were some extension that
>>> could use the nyu.edu composer to send messages through Thunderbird.
>>> Or that some good man would provide a smtp service for free to anyone
>>> who needs it; it should be easier than providing free Internet
>>> access, that some do.
>>>
>>> Eustace
>>>
>>
>>
>> Most Universities won't allow 'relaying' of mail anyway.
>> It would be 'relaying' if you were not using your nyu.edu address as
>> the 'from' or from the nyu.edu connections.
>> This is done to prevent spam
>>
>> Of the three ISPs I had (down to two now) one allows relaying, another
>> doesn't, and the other one had a time limit before you could use it (a
>> month or so and you had to request it). So even with 'pay' ISPs,
>> relaying is not a given.
>>
>> well, you can get a FREE gmail account
>> go to gmail and sign up Type gmail into the location bar of
>> your browser.
>> When you create the account take the POP type
>> then you can check the mail right from Thunderbird
>
> Is there any real difference between yahoo and gmail? With the webmail
> extension I can get my yahoo messages in TB, at least when the extension
> works. I believe I can also set it up so I can send messages through
> yahoo, but I seldom use that address to send messages, and it can easier
> be done through an ISP with smtp.
>
> Eustace
>


Beside being based on different servers and having different 'feature'
sets? No, no real difference between Yahoo and Gmail offerings.

I have a Gmail one, and have no problems receiving the messages in TB

On Jul 24, 5:40*pm, "Moz Champion (Dan)" <moz.champ...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> Eustace wrote:
> > On 2008-07-24 07:45 Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
> >> Eustace wrote:
> >>> On 2008-07-23 09:39 Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
> >>>> Eustace wrote:
> >>>>> I am changing ISPs but the new one says it provides only Internet
> >>>>> connection, so I cannot use it to send smtp emails. It's the first
> >>>>> time I encounter this kind of situation, but it is also the first
> >>>>> time I subscribe to an ISP that does not provide email account,
> >>>>> which I don't need since I am still using an nyu.edu email account,
> >>>>> which, however does not provide smtp service for people using other
> >>>>> ISPs.
>
> >>>>> But does an ISP have to provide an email account in order to
> >>>>> provide smtp service?
>
> >>>>> Any other ideas besides reversing the ISP change?
>
> >>>>> Thanks,
>
> >>>>> emf
>
> >>>> An ISP doesn't 'have' to provide anything other than what is in it's
> >>>> Terms of Service (TOS) - which they write of course.
>
> >>>> Generally speaking, no, an ISP doesn't have to provide email service
> >>>> but may have a smtp server for your use - although personally I
> >>>> don't know of any ISPs who are configured in this manner.
>
> >>>> My advice is to get an ISP that provides both http and smtp service,
> >>>> there is no harm in having two email adresses (even if you don't use
> >>>> one). Attempt to get one that allows relaying of mail tho.
>
> >>> Yes, I'll find an ISP that provides also email, and hence smtp
> >>> service. It would be nice, though, if there were some extension that
> >>> could use the nyu.edu composer to send messages through Thunderbird.
> >>> Or that some good man would provide a smtp service for free to anyone
> >>> who needs it; it should be easier than providing free Internet
> >>> access, that some do.
>
> >>> Eustace
>
> >> Most Universities won't allow 'relaying' of mail anyway.
> >> It would be 'relaying' if you were not using your nyu.edu address as
> >> the 'from' *or from the nyu.edu connections.
> >> This is done to prevent spam
>
> >> Of the three ISPs I had (down to two now) one allows relaying, another
> >> doesn't, and the other one had a time limit before you could use it (a
> >> month or so and you had to request it). *So even with 'pay' ISPs,
> >> relaying is not a given.
>
> >> well, you can get a FREE gmail account
> >> go to gmail and sign up * * * *Type gmail into the location bar of
> >> your browser.
> >> When you create the account take the POP type
> >> then you can check the mail right from Thunderbird
>
> > Is there any real difference between yahoo and gmail? With the webmail
> > extension I can get my yahoo messages in TB, at least when the extension
> > works. I believe I can also set it up so I can send messages through
> > yahoo, but I seldom use that address to send messages, and it can easier
> > be done through an ISP with smtp.
>
> > Eustace
>
> Beside being based on different servers and having different 'feature'
> sets? No, no real difference between Yahoo and Gmail offerings.
>
> I have a Gmail one, and have no problems receiving the messages in TB

There is a big difference in the collect email from another pop
account, yahoo doesn't do this automatically that i can figure out and
gmail does.
and gmail has more sned to limit.