This kills the nVidia graphics drivers. Whose grand idea was it?

duhring@maxwell:/boot$ grep -i xen config-2.6.25-2-686
CONFIG_XEN=y
CONFIG_XEN_BLKDEV_FRONTEND=m
CONFIG_NETXEN_NIC=m
CONFIG_XEN_NETDEV_FRONTEND=m
CONFIG_HVC_XEN=y

Dave Uhring wrote:
> This kills the nVidia graphics drivers. Whose grand idea was it?
>
> duhring@maxwell:/boot$ grep -i xen config-2.6.25-2-686
> CONFIG_XEN=y
> CONFIG_XEN_BLKDEV_FRONTEND=m
> CONFIG_NETXEN_NIC=m
> CONFIG_XEN_NETDEV_FRONTEND=m
> CONFIG_HVC_XEN=y
>

I found that the xen kernel kills the videos setup.

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:31:27 -0400, Claude Hopper wrote:

> Dave Uhring wrote:
>> This kills the nVidia graphics drivers. Whose grand idea was it?
>>
>> duhring@maxwell:/boot$ grep -i xen config-2.6.25-2-686
>> CONFIG_XEN=y
>> CONFIG_XEN_BLKDEV_FRONTEND=m
>> CONFIG_NETXEN_NIC=m
>> CONFIG_XEN_NETDEV_FRONTEND=m
>> CONFIG_HVC_XEN=y
>>
>
> I found that the xen kernel kills the videos setup.

But this is not the XEN kernel, yet it is configured for XEN. It is
either a mistake or someone has decided that Debian users should not use
proprietary binary blobs.

Dave Uhring <daveuhring@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:31:27 -0400, Claude Hopper wrote:
>
>> Dave Uhring wrote:
>>> This kills the nVidia graphics drivers. Whose grand idea was it?
>>>
>>> duhring@maxwell:/boot$ grep -i xen config-2.6.25-2-686
>>> CONFIG_XEN=y
>>> CONFIG_XEN_BLKDEV_FRONTEND=m
>>> CONFIG_NETXEN_NIC=m
>>> CONFIG_XEN_NETDEV_FRONTEND=m
>>> CONFIG_HVC_XEN=y
>>>
>>
>> I found that the xen kernel kills the videos setup.
>
> But this is not the XEN kernel, yet it is configured for XEN. It is
> either a mistake or someone has decided that Debian users should not use
> proprietary binary blobs.
>

The nvidia-glx package works with it.

· Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> schrieb:

> The nvidia-glx package works with it.

But the nvidia-glx-package is not yet available for lenny.

Found this workaround:

| cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`
| grep CONFIG_XEN . -Rl | xargs -i sed -i -e 's/CONFIG_XEN/CONFIG_LUPO/g' {}
| export IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=1

Seems that it changes all occurences of CONFIG_XEN to something like
CONFIG_LUPO ;)

At least, it worked for me, after that modifications I could again install
the nvidia driver.

A bugreport has already been filed, but neither the Debian nor the
nVIDIA-developers feel the need to change anything. So it seems that we
have to live with this problem.

I infact can't also understand why there are XEN-references in a
non-XEN-kernel, thats beyond my horizon.

Martin.
--
OS: openSUSE 10.2 (i586)
Kernel: 2.6.18.8-0.10-default
KDE: 3.5.9 "release 65.1"

Martin Schnitkemper <news.trash.5.mschnitk@spamgourmet.com> writes:

> · Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> schrieb:
>
>> The nvidia-glx package works with it.
>
> But the nvidia-glx-package is not yet available for lenny.

No. But you can pin in the Unstable version and it works. Did for me.

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:45:50 +0200, Martin Schnitkemper wrote:

> Found this workaround:
>
> | cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`
> | grep CONFIG_XEN . -Rl | xargs -i sed -i -e 's/CONFIG_XEN/CONFIG_LUPO/g' {}
> | export IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=1
>
> Seems that it changes all occurences of CONFIG_XEN to something like
> CONFIG_LUPO ;)

Thanks Martin, I'll give it a try.

> A bugreport has already been filed, but neither the Debian nor the
> nVIDIA-developers feel the need to change anything. So it seems that we
> have to live with this problem.

I keep using the 2.6.24-1-686 kernel which is not polluted with this XEN
crap.

> I infact can't also understand why there are XEN-references in a
> non-XEN-kernel, thats beyond my horizon.

If inclusion if XEN in the standard kernel is a mistake it should be
corrected and as of today's update linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 still has that
XEN crap in it. It appears that the Debian developers have deliberately
disabled use of the nVidia driver.

· Dave Uhring <daveuhring@yahoo.com> schrieb:

> It appears that the Debian developers have deliberately
> disabled use of the nVidia driver.

How Debian developer see it:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481485

|From: lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen)
| If you use the nvidia installer you are on your own. You also cause
| package files to be overwritten and will likely have breakage on
| upgrades in the future. Have fun.
|
| If you use the debian packages then we can help. We already fixed the
| xen problem in the debian packages by patching the driver build system.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481161

| From: maximilian attems <max@stro.at>
| concerning nvidia i'd say bug your vendor to release proper drivers.

And thats the opinion of nVIDIA:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...bab& t=110088

| - * a BUG() is triggered on early 2.6 x86_64 kernels. the underlying
| - * problem actually exists on many architectures and kernels, but
| - * these are the only kernels that check the condition and trigger
| - * a BUG(). note that this is a problem of the core kernel, not an
| - * nvidia bug (and can still be triggered by agpgart).
|
| + * Note that this is a due to a bug in the Linux kernel, not an
| + * NVIDIA driver bug (it can also be triggered by AGPGART).

Seems that open-source-developers cant live in peace with closed-sources-
programmers.

Martin.
--
OS: openSUSE 10.2 (i586)
Kernel: 2.6.18.8-0.10-default
KDE: 3.5.9 "release 65.1"

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:52:40 +0200, Martin Schnitkemper wrote:

> · Dave Uhring <daveuhring@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>
>> It appears that the Debian developers have deliberately
>> disabled use of the nVidia driver.
>
> How Debian developer see it:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481485

Wankers, all of them.

There is no reason whatsoever for configuring XEN in the standard kernel
except to create a deliberate problem.

> |From: lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen)
> | If you use the nvidia installer you are on your own. You also cause
> | package files to be overwritten and will likely have breakage on
> | upgrades in the future. Have fun.

There is only *one* file which gets broken and I know from experience
which one it is.

> | If you use the debian packages then we can help. We already fixed the
> | xen problem in the debian packages by patching the driver build
> | system.
>
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481161

It's always someone else's fault. If I wanted a XEN kernel I would
install one.

> Seems that open-source-developers cant live in peace with
> closed-sources- programmers.

It reminds me of the dick contest between them and Jörg Schilling a few
years ago.

On 07/21/2008 03:15 PM, Dave Uhring wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:52:40 +0200, Martin Schnitkemper wrote:
>> How Debian developer see it:
>> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481485
>
> Wankers, all of them.
>
> There is no reason whatsoever for configuring XEN in the standard kernel
> except to create a deliberate problem.
> [...]

Although I'm "lucky" enough to not have nvidia, this configuration makes
no sense to me.