Due to space restrictions (my office is too small now for two machines) I'm
investigating my alternatives. I must have a windows machine for work so
that's a give, unfortunantly. I've installed Wubi on the machine and am
wondering if it would be better to set up a dual-boot. Although, from what
I can see, I have the option of booting into Kubuntu via the normal boot up
process, so is there any real advantage to creating a new partition and
going from there? Also, without knowing much about Wubi, would it be safe
to say that I could upgrade the distro to Hardy Heron from what ever it is
(I have not booted into it yet since I've always had a HH server).

Thanks

I_Am_The_Walrus wrote:
> Due to space restrictions (my office is too small now for two machines) I'm
> investigating my alternatives. I must have a windows machine for work so
> that's a give, unfortunantly. I've installed Wubi on the machine and am
> wondering if it would be better to set up a dual-boot. Although, from what
> I can see, I have the option of booting into Kubuntu via the normal boot up
> process, so is there any real advantage to creating a new partition and
> going from there? Also, without knowing much about Wubi, would it be safe
> to say that I could upgrade the distro to Hardy Heron from what ever it is
> (I have not booted into it yet since I've always had a HH server).
>
> Thanks
Why would you want to run a crippled Ubuntu instance with Wubi? You
would have Ubuntu running on the Windows file system, not the best
choice, IMO

Unless you use Ubuntu only occasionally, dual boot, preferably from two
separate drives is a much better option.

Chris <Chris@chris.net> wrote in news:g60j7r$b3c$1@aioe.org:

> I_Am_The_Walrus wrote:
>> Due to space restrictions (my office is too small now for two
>> machines) I'm investigating my alternatives. I must have a windows
>> machine for work so that's a give, unfortunantly. I've installed
>> Wubi on the machine and am wondering if it would be better to set up
>> a dual-boot. Although, from what I can see, I have the option of
>> booting into Kubuntu via the normal boot up process, so is there any
>> real advantage to creating a new partition and going from there?
>> Also, without knowing much about Wubi, would it be safe to say that I
>> could upgrade the distro to Hardy Heron from what ever it is (I have
>> not booted into it yet since I've always had a HH server).
>>
>> Thanks
> Why would you want to run a crippled Ubuntu instance with Wubi? You
> would have Ubuntu running on the Windows file system, not the best
> choice, IMO
>
> Unless you use Ubuntu only occasionally, dual boot, preferably from
> two separate drives is a much better option.
>

Thanks for the advice. I will attempt to procede with your suggestion.
Are there any good step-by-step tutorials for doing this, ones that have
work for others in the past. Tell...if I were to take a drive out of my
Linux box, run qparted on it would the HH installation be able to use it?

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:33:53 +0000, I_Am_The_Walrus wrote:

> Due to space restrictions (my office is too small now for two machines)
> I'm investigating my alternatives. I must have a windows machine for
> work so that's a give, unfortunantly. I've installed Wubi on the
> machine and am wondering if it would be better to set up a dual-boot.
> Although, from what I can see, I have the option of booting into Kubuntu
> via the normal boot up process, so is there any real advantage to
> creating a new partition and going from there? Also, without knowing
> much about Wubi, would it be safe to say that I could upgrade the distro
> to Hardy Heron from what ever it is (I have not booted into it yet since
> I've always had a HH server).
>
> Thanks

You should run Windows on Linux not the other way around. I uses VMware
Server to run Win2K and WinXP on top of Linux, the performance of a
VMware Vm is about 90% of the native performance so you won't notice the
difference. I use SAMBA to export Linux directories to my Windows VMs,
that way all of my data lives in Linux (where it is much easier to
backup) rather than Windows. Also if you have Windows as a VM instead of
native it's trivial to backup, all you have to do is rsync the VMware
files somewhere. If Windows gets infected or otherwise fucked up all you
have to do is restore your backup. You also get the advantage of a Gnome
desktop vs the antique XP desktop. Gnome has multiple desktops, I keep my
Windows VMs in their own desktop, that I can switch to it with the
desktop switcher.

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:33:53 +0000, I_Am_The_Walrus wrote:

> Due to space restrictions (my office is too small now for two machines)
> I'm investigating my alternatives. I must have a windows machine for
> work so that's a give, unfortunantly. I've installed Wubi on the
> machine and am wondering if it would be better to set up a dual-boot.
> Although, from what I can see, I have the option of booting into Kubuntu
> via the normal boot up process, so is there any real advantage to
> creating a new partition and going from there? Also, without knowing
> much about Wubi, would it be safe to say that I could upgrade the distro
> to Hardy Heron from what ever it is (I have not booted into it yet since
> I've always had a HH server).
>
> Thanks

FWIW - it does not take much to add another computer. For example, a mini-
itx might be about the width of a tower, about 2/3 as deep and about five
inches high - there are even smaller form factors. Couple that with a KVM
switch so you can use one keyboard, mouse and monitor on both computers
and we're really not talking about a lot of real estate.

ray wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:33:53 +0000, I_Am_The_Walrus wrote:
>
>
>> Also, without knowing
>> much about Wubi, would it be safe to say that I could upgrade the distro
>> to Hardy Heron from what ever it is (I have not booted into it yet since
>> I've always had a HH server).
>>
>>
>>
A very easy Wubi install is already on the H.H 8.04 cd. Why not do a
clean install? Just move any data you want to keep 'on the other side'.
It does NOT run in 'window$' but gives a very simple choice on boot. It
is favourite on my laptop.

I_Am_The_Walrus wrote:
> Chris <Chris@chris.net> wrote in news:g60j7r$b3c$1@aioe.org:
>
>> I_Am_The_Walrus wrote:
>>> Due to space restrictions (my office is too small now for two
>>> machines) I'm investigating my alternatives. I must have a windows
>>> machine for work so that's a give, unfortunantly. I've installed
>>> Wubi on the machine and am wondering if it would be better to set up
>>> a dual-boot. Although, from what I can see, I have the option of
>>> booting into Kubuntu via the normal boot up process, so is there any
>>> real advantage to creating a new partition and going from there?
>>> Also, without knowing much about Wubi, would it be safe to say that I
>>> could upgrade the distro to Hardy Heron from what ever it is (I have
>>> not booted into it yet since I've always had a HH server).
>>>
>>> Thanks
>> Why would you want to run a crippled Ubuntu instance with Wubi? You
>> would have Ubuntu running on the Windows file system, not the best
>> choice, IMO
>>
>> Unless you use Ubuntu only occasionally, dual boot, preferably from
>> two separate drives is a much better option.
>>
>
> Thanks for the advice. I will attempt to procede with your suggestion.
> Are there any good step-by-step tutorials for doing this, ones that have
> work for others in the past. Tell...if I were to take a drive out of my
> Linux box, run qparted on it would the HH installation be able to use it?
>
Tutorials on how to install HH in dual boot on a Windows machine? No
need for that, the HH install will take care of that without much
drama. Anyway search the Ubuntu forum.

Also, ask a knowledgeable friend to help if if you're not comfortable
messing with hardware setups. Finally, you don't need to format that
drive in advance, the HH install will ask where you want to install and
will do the formatting.

What you plan to do is probably easier than you expect, but don't
overlook doing a good backup (or two) before jumping.

Good luck!

Chris <Chris@chris.net> wrote in news:g635f5$hcp$1@aioe.org:

> Good luck!

Thanks. I do a full backup once a week and incrementals the other
days. I also do system state backup once a week.

I'm pretty sure I can handle the install, but this would be the first
time I've done one with the express purpose of dual-booting. Do I need to
create a partion on my C drive? I have 363GB free so I should be able to
create a 100GB partiton for Linux with any problems. But how do I do that?
Do use the computer management program (Vista Ultimate) or can I use
gparted and have it do all the work for me?

"I_Am_The_Walrus" wrote:
> I'm pretty sure I can handle the install, but this would be the first
> time I've done one with the express purpose of dual-booting. Do I need to
> create a partion on my C drive? I have 363GB free so I should be able to
> create a 100GB partiton for Linux with any problems. But how do I do that?
> Do use the computer management program (Vista Ultimate) or can I use
> gparted and have it do all the work for me?

If you're going to be mixing Vista and Linux, make a clone of Vista
and then nuke all the partitions. The reason is that Vista has a new
partitioning scheme that doesn't play well with all the other partitioning
editors in the world. For more details on that, check out:
http://www.multibooters.co.uk/partitions.html. But Vista understands
the pre-Vista partitioning, so if all the partitions are pre-Vista, i.e. NOT
aligned on a 2,048-sector boundary, both Vista and Linux will be
happy.

A good partition editor to use is Gparted - either on live CD or
live USB. After you've made a new partition for Vista, you can copy
it back from the cloning medium. Some cloning utilities, such as Casper,
will cram Vista into a 20GB partition by ignoring sectors which don't
contain any data. On re-cloning to the original medium, you can put
the clone back into a partition as big as you wish. The formatting will
be carried along with the clone, so no formatting is necessary. You
might have to fix up Vista's BCD by running "bootrec /rebuildbcd" by
using Vista's command prompt. Once you've gotten Vista running again,
you can use Gparted to make a partition for Linus. Again, don't format
it as the Linux installer will want to do that because part of the formatting
will involve making a proper boot sector. If you want to use Grub to be
the boot manager for the dual-boot, just go ahead and let the installer
put Grub in the MBR. If you'd rather have Vista's boot manager handle
the dual-boot, you'll have to click the Advance button in the last page
before the installation is actually done, and tell the installer which partition
to put Grub in (you want it in the partition containing the Linux root).
There are various ways to proceed for a dual-boot install that uses
Vista's boot manager, so post back if that's the way you want to go.

In my laptop, I have the Vista boot menu offer to start Vista or
hand-off control to Grub. In the Linux boot menu, I have Grub offer
to start Linux or hand-off control to Vista's loader. That way, it
doesn't matter which partition is "active", and if one partition gets
corrupted, by just setting the "active" flag with Gparted's live USB,
I can still boot the other OS.

*TimDaniels*

"Timothy Daniels" <SpamBucket@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote in
news:4fSdnY43ifuc7BjVnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@earthlink.co m:

> A good partition editor to use is Gparted - either on live CD or
> live USB.

Yup, got the ISO on CD.
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Hi,


I found a website that show step by step how to do this exact thing

http://apcmag.com/how_to_dualboot_vi...led_f irst.ht
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So far 134 others have marked it on del.ici.us so it must have some merit.
My question is, do I need to defrag first?
Currently, my C drive has 212.99 (59%) free, so if I shrink it *by* 100 GB
then I should be able to install the Hardy Heron server version and let the
install use the entire partion?